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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by WolverineMac » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:38 pm

I read some time ago, that guys were making trips to Germany to have it changed.
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by paddyboy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:29 pm

WolverineMac wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:38 pm
I read some time ago, that guys were making trips to Germany to have it changed.
They were going to the ZF place I presume?
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by smith-n7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:54 pm

paddyboy wrote:Many thanks for that smith-n7 :thumbs:

I'm currently in the process of getting quotes from transmission specialists for the job for parts + labour and just let them source the parts

Seems easier that way for not a lot more expense
No worries PB :)

There other thing ZF have been in touch today and confirmed transmission flush machines are not recommended.

For anyone that’s interested see the response below.

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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by janhe » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:12 am

Oh, interesting and good to hear straight from the manufacturer. Thank you for that! I was wondering this since for example in the youtube video posted before, a lot of old oil will remain in the turbine/torque converter, but I take that according to ZF this is not a big deal? Wonder if it's the same with GM?

Regarding what gearbox I have, I'll try to find the time during next weekend to go to the garage and have a look under the car.
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by paddyboy » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:54 am

smith-n7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:54 pm

No worries PB :)

There other thing ZF have been in touch today and confirmed transmission flush machines are not recommended.
Many thanks for sharing that smith-n7 that's really useful :thumbs:

At least that rules out flushing so don't need to worry about that

Still waiting to hear from 2 specialists I requested quotes from .......
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by janhe » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:36 am

Had a brief opportunity to go to the garage on the weekend and I have metal tranny oil pan. Is this the telltale sign that it's GM? At least the oil pan bolts were hex washer head and for ZF realoem offers torx. Unfortunately I didn't notice to count the amount of bolts as this also might reveal something.
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by smith-n7 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:57 am

janhe wrote:Had a brief opportunity to go to the garage on the weekend and I have metal tranny oil pan. Is this the telltale sign that it's GM? At least the oil pan bolts were hex washer head and for ZF realoem offers torx. Unfortunately I didn't notice to count the amount of bolts as this also might reveal something.
130i Auto has a ZFHP19Z transmission. This is confirmed in realoem.

Metal sump trays are no longer sold. Likelihood is cost of metal and weight for transportation.

OE kit contents: refer to link

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 1915463210

Re: question on fluid change. ZF response below:
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by janhe » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:48 am

Hmmm, if I search realoem with my VIN and click ZF oil pan, I get "no parts found matching your car". GM oil pan on the other hand gives parts for my car. Also the GM oil pan seems to have a lot less bolts compared to ZF, if the photos on the ebay ad and realoem can be trusted and they're not some generic pics. So would still argue that both boxes were used in 130i auto. :D
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by smith-n7 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:25 am

I already gave you the info on this a few posts back with a link to realoem.

To me, realoem clearly shows the 6HP19Z box for pre-lci and LCI 130i's.

However, if you feel you're right on this, so be it :)
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by janhe » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:58 am

Sorry, are we still talking whether 130i auto can have GM or ZF box? Just want to be clear since I may not understand correctly. :oops:

It's not my goal to find out who is right or wrong, just discuss the matter since there seems to be conflicting info. :) The photo I attached is my actual tranny oil pan and you can see from it that it has different amount of bolts compared to the plastic pan.

Maybe I don't know how to use realoem properly or lost something in the translation so apologies for that.

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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by smith-n7 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:15 pm

Hi

Apologies for any confusion caused.

I just checked the vin for a 2009, RHD 130i LCI, UD52.
Realoem has now given different information to a general 130i LCI search (which only showed GA6HP19Z)

There are two transmissions fitted across the same period:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partgrp ... 130i&mg=24

GA6HP19Z (01/2006 - 06/2011) - Part No: 83222305396

GA6L45R (02/2006 - 12/2011) - Part No: 24007614275

I don't know if you have a UD51 there may be another transmission again :?
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by janhe » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:35 am

No worries! :)

Yes, mine is type code UD51. Tried to search, but I am not really aware what this whole type code thing is?

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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by smith-n7 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:50 pm

More digging..

Spoke to BMW parts department advisor who confirmed the production dates below are correct for both auto transmissions.
What this means is a Pre-LCI and LCI auto could have either transmission fitted. There is no concrete explanation for this madness either :?

There are at least two transmissions fitted across the same period:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partgrp ... 130i&mg=24

GA6HP19Z (01/2006 - 06/2011) - Part No: 83222305396

GA6L45R (02/2006 - 12/2011) - Part No: 24007614275

More digging, found this old thread: viewtopic.php?t=74430

The VIN decoder on this site is better than realoem. It specifies the transmission your car to the VIN (unlike realoem) that presents two options for some VINS. To be on the safe side, always best to check with the a BMW parts department for confirmation.

https://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/vin/decoder/online

I hope this helps.
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by paddyboy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:57 pm

smith-n7 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:50 pm
More digging..

Spoke to BMW parts department advisor who confirmed the production dates below are correct for both auto transmissions.
What this means is a Pre-LCI and LCI auto could have either transmission fitted. There is no concrete explanation for this madness either :?

There are at least two transmissions fitted across the same period:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partgrp ... 130i&mg=24

GA6HP19Z (01/2006 - 06/2011) - Part No: 83222305396

GA6L45R (02/2006 - 12/2011) - Part No: 24007614275

More digging, found this old thread: viewtopic.php?t=74430

The VIN decoder on this site is better than realoem. It specifies the transmission your car to the VIN (unlike realoem) that presents two options for some VINS. To be on the safe side, always best to check with the a BMW parts department for confirmation.

https://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/vin/decoder/online

I hope this helps.
Good find smith-n7 .... I had stumbled across www.etkbmw.com before but had forgotten about it and always headed straight to realoem

However as you say at least www.etkbmw.com does come up with a definitive answer for the transition in my car rather than realoem which shows both options leading to much head scratching wondering which one have I got?

Janhe - the other way to do it is to count the number of bolts - you were on the right scent above when you suggested this - you'll find that GA6HP19Z and GA6L45R require a different number of bolts - your tranny pan looks suspiciously like mine and mine is GA6L45R

To find the details of the bolts required for each tranny pan on realoem don't put in a vin - just go thru the make / model selection route then it will show all variations in full detail rather than telling you it can't display the details for your vehicle - hope this helps :thumbs:
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Re: New E87 130i owner

Post by supercati » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:48 pm

It's such a pitty BMW didn't put the ZF6HP21 on the 130i... that's the one that can be flashed and then it's really improved (135i and 335i have them).
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