E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

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E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:14 am

Morning all ..

3 weeks and 400 miles in to owning a 2011 116i Sport (E87) I return to my car in the evening, after leaving it 8 or 9 hours, press the start button and hear lots of noisy engine clatter (sounding like a dry engine, almost) and after 20 seconds or so it goes and returns to its normal throaty purr. Having done a Google it seems it could be either .. 1. timing chain on its way out, 2. timing chain tensioner needing adjustment, 3. VANOS fault, 4. hydraulic lifter issue, 5. nothing wrong ("all these engines do this occasionally") or someone has cunningly replaced my engine with a badly tuned diesel variant whilst I was at work!

Any 116 (and/or other N43 engine) owners have any thoughts? The car's under warranty but as this has only happened twice, in 3 weeks, I doubt the garage will get to hear and diagnose this (and doubt they'll want to start dismantling things based purely on just my aural interpretation).

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by marco_polo » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:09 am

Start by replacing the inexpensive timing chain tensioner.

I'd be on that asap before the chain slips a tooth or two (pretty common) - the bill rapidly escalates.
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:41 pm

Thank you. Will let you know the outcome.

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by marco_polo » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:59 pm

MadJam116i wrote:
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Thank you. Will let you know the outcome.
See if you can find a Febi Bilstein tensioner.
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:22 am

Thanks. How long is labour for this and approx part cost please?

I am wondering whether to just have the chain replaced at same time (considering the number of chain failure posts/threads I have read; quite staggering failure rate for a prestige brand).

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by marco_polo » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:14 am

Relatively cheap, it's like changing one big bolt.

I'm not saying this is the correct part for your car (I haven't checked- on my phone currently), but it will give you some idea: http://www.incarmotorfactors.co.uk/en/0 ... 21275.html
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:19 am

As the clatter has only happened twice should I just stick my head in the sand and put it down to a blip rather than it being an indication of worse things to come? I'm not seeking perfection in a 7 year old car but if it's definitely worth further inspection I'll do that. Thanks again.

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by marco_polo » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:22 am

Look at my previous post ^

Head in the sand could mean a fecking giant bill in the future, not convinced that's sensible maths over a quick £20 job....
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by 0l0dom0l0 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:33 am

If the timing chain tensioner doesn't fix it, I would look at replacing timing chain and guides.

To be honest I'd probably do the lot to be safe anyway. The kits aren't expsnive for what they are, approx £100 for a timing chain and guide kit from Febi.
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:32 pm

Thanks all.

If the noise is chain-related, wouldn't it be permanent and not just occasional and on start-up only?

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by marco_polo » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:36 pm

MadJam116i wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:32 pm
Thanks all.

If the noise is chain-related, wouldn't it be permanent and not just occasional and on start-up only?
If it's tensioner related, it will (initially) rear it's head when you first start her up (when the oil pressure is still building). You don't want it to slip teeth due to lack of tension, that would be bad/expensive.
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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:10 am

Thanks again. Will get this looked at ASAP and report back.

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:33 pm

Car booked in to main dealer in a week. Unlikely the noise will be there for them to hear so it'll probably returned to me as 'normal'. If the tensioner/chain are at fault (likely causing the clatter) will there be tell tale signs to the technician?

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by MadJam116i » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:56 am

Quick update. Car went in to main dealer. They put the start-up rattle down to a failing oil control valve/sensor and replaced that. Slight rattle on start up recently since, once.

Are the chains on the petrol 116i (E87) models quite rattly/noisy anyway? Is this normal?

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Re: E87 (116 petrol) start-up clatter

Post by steve1811uk » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Hi, I had similar on my 118i. All down to a clogged oil filter causing low oil pressure. I had put in some engine cleaner in the oil months earlier and forgot about it. That also caused major drivability issues because the VANOS couldn't operate due to the low oil pressure. I would change your oil filter and do an oil change. The change that brought about to my car was unbelievable. Steve.

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