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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by Wayno » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:46 pm

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Couple more sets ready for packing as picture, Stage2 are sold (were actually meant to go on my car!) but Stage1 are available as buyer has other car issues to sort first so if you want a set get in touch.

Now that im back in a 130i im going to get some of the Stage2 plates onto what is otherwise stock suspension to see what camber it gives, im pretty sure nobody who has taken Stage2 plates has done this and all have M3 LCA or other mods, if not let me know :)

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Just out of curiosity, is installing these relatively easy or does the whole strut need to come off? Would be interested in the Stage 2's
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:58 pm

Wayno wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, is installing these relatively easy or does the whole strut need to come off? Would be interested in the Stage 2's
Its not a difficult job but does require some care and attention as well as understanding of what your doing to make sure its done safely, strut doesn't need to come off the car as after removing the ARB drop link you can carefully lower strut/hub down to get access to topmount bearing support to fit the camber plate, its a little fiddly tightening up bolts to hold plates on but not too bad, once fitted its carefully lifted back up into place making sure not to damage studs going through the holes in strut tower, also making sure orientation is correct.
You need to tap out the factory studs and also make sure factory camber pin bump is removed before fitting plates, also the whole thing is fully reversible if needs be by taking off plates and refitting factory studs.

Im hoping to fit a set onto my car this weekend so will try and get some pictures if I have time.

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by markhurley » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:40 pm

THETYRANT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:58 pm
Wayno wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:46 pm

Just out of curiosity, is installing these relatively easy or does the whole strut need to come off? Would be interested in the Stage 2's
Its not a difficult job but does require some care and attention as well as understanding of what your doing to make sure its done safely, strut doesn't need to come off the car as after removing the ARB drop link you can carefully lower strut/hub down to get access to topmount bearing support to fit the camber plate, its a little fiddly tightening up bolts to hold plates on but not too bad, once fitted its carefully lifted back up into place making sure not to damage studs going through the holes in strut tower, also making sure orientation is correct.
You need to tap out the factory studs and also make sure factory camber pin bump is removed before fitting plates, also the whole thing is fully reversible if needs be by taking off plates and refitting factory studs.

Im hoping to fit a set onto my car this weekend so will try and get some pictures if I have time.

Cheers
Ian
They are quite easy to fit if you are confident on the tools
I would charge £30 to fit these takes just over an hour :)
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:32 pm

Ok fitted a set of my Stage2 plates onto my otherwise stock (bar camber pin mod by previous owner) suspension E81 130i today, took me about 1.5hours but some of that's was fiddling about checking things as not fitted stage2 myself before so wanted to go over a few things carefully, they are a little more fiddly than the stage1 I fitted onto last car due to the larger offset of plate on stage2 but still no real problems to do, its just getting in with a small 13mm spanner onto nuts and using allen key socket down through the hole in strut tower to tighen things up that's fiddly.

Anyhows all done now and geo results from my basic equipment below,

Front Toe Before = 0
Front Toe After = slight Toe Out 20' (will leave as this for awhile and see how it drives)

Front Camber before with just camber pin mod = -0.4deg
Front Camber after Stage2 plates= -1.7deg :D

Ride Height before and after = 340mm ( arch lip to wheel centre), the extra 5mm of camber plate is as I thought offset by tipping strut over to get camber.

Happy enough with the numbers and will have to try and get it checked with more accurate gear as my camber kit especially isn't meaga accurate, looking at wheels I think camber is probably a little more.

Im on winter tyres at moment so cant push it much but will get out for a drive later to see how It feels.

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:01 am

Quick update, got a few miles on this week with Geo as above post and felt good even on winter tyres, wanted to get Geo back to Zero Toe to directly compare with pre-camber plates settings so managed to get time to do that last night ( after freeing off the stupid corrosion magnet design BMW track rod ends!) adjusted a couple of flats on each track rod and now its at Zero toe with -1.7deg camber on front which feels very nice from short drive to work, hard to say how much its improved on the chunky tread winter tyres but does feel sharper and more stable in the corners than before the camber plates, cant wait to get my MPSS tyres back on and get it on track to see how it goes and what shoulder wear is like.

Steering feel on the Epas cars is never great compared to older Hpas steering but I think its improved with the extra camber, maybe im just more used to it now though :)

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:25 am

Was changing my front dampers and springs at weekend and while it was all apart i got a couple of pics of the camber plates fitted to struts but out of the car, hopefully give some insight into how these fit and work and to give people a better idea of how it all goes together as its hard to see when fitting them without removing dampers from car.
See below for the pictures of the stage2 plates i have on my car, these have already been on a few weeks and about 500miles with stock dampers and was good to see how they are holding up and to check everything is still nice and tight etc.

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by andrewuk1990 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:52 pm

Thanks to Ian I now have stage 2 camber Plates fitted to my E82 123D. Suspension wise it has front 1M LCAs and the Bilstein B12 Pro kit fitted.

The following pictures are before and after fitting the camber Plates and B12 kit. The LCAs were fitted for both. Very pleased overall so big thanks Ian for the plates!

For those with a keen eye and notice before had 18" wheels and after 17", it's because I had the first done in summer and the second done on my winter wheel set!
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:53 am

Thanks for posting that up looks like some good numbers, nice to see the increase in castor as well as negative camber :D

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Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by Poormans » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:05 pm

More caster is good right? More feedback, more stability?
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:21 pm

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More caster is good right? More feedback, more stability?
Yes to a point and this amount should give nice improvement in stability and feel like you say, which is probably why my cars Epas steering feels better with the plates on.

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Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by Poormans » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:40 pm

Ossum, I suffer epas too 8)
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by vhenax » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:55 pm

so i have read few pages of this thread but i have a question , can i install them on stock M suspensions on a 130i ? and do i need to buy any other things like m3 LCA or these plates would be enough ? thanks

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:23 am

vhenax wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:55 pm
so i have read few pages of this thread but i have a question , can i install them on stock M suspensions on a 130i ? and do i need to buy any other things like m3 LCA or these plates would be enough ? thanks
Yes you can no further mods needed, all depends on car usage and how much negative camber you want, see below for more info.

Stage1 Plates - fitting these with no other mods gives same sort of camber numbers as fitting M3 LCA approx. -0.7 to -1deg camber, bonus of camber plates is they dont push the wheel outwards like you get with M3 arms which can lead to wheel clearance issues if running spacers or wider wheels, M3 arms are a good mod though.

Stage2 Plates - Fitting these with no other mods (what I currently have apart from koni dampers) gives more camber so around -1.5 to -1.7deg which is what I ended up with.

Obviously fitting camber plates along with M3 arms gives even more camber, as a rough guide Stage1 with M3 LCA gives anything from -1.5 to -1.8deg, fitting Stage2 with M3 LCA gives anything from -2.5 to -3deg, all depends on springs and things on final numbers.

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Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by pem10 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:47 am

THETYRANT wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:23 am
vhenax wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:55 pm
so i have read few pages of this thread but i have a question , can i install them on stock M suspensions on a 130i ? and do i need to buy any other things like m3 LCA or these plates would be enough ? thanks
Yes you can no further mods needed, all depends on car usage and how much negative camber you want, see below for more info.

Stage1 Plates - fitting these with no other mods gives same sort of camber numbers as fitting M3 LCA approx. -0.7 to -1deg camber, bonus of camber plates is they dont push the wheel outwards like you get with M3 arms which can lead to wheel clearance issues if running spacers or wider wheels, M3 arms are a good mod though.

Stage2 Plates - Fitting these with no other mods (what I currently have apart from koni dampers) gives more camber so around -1.5 to -1.7deg which is what I ended up with.

Obviously fitting camber plates along with M3 arms gives even more camber, as a rough guide Stage1 with M3 LCA gives anything from -1.5 to -1.8deg, fitting Stage2 with M3 LCA gives anything from -2.5 to -3deg, all depends on springs and things on final numbers.

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Hi Ian
You mention above about the m3 arms pushing the wheel out. How much are we looking at? Keep meaning to get some spacers but now don't want to get some that may be too much if I go the lca route. Front wheels 18 - 7.5 - et49. Thanks and keep up the good work!
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:38 am

pem10 wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:47 am
Hi Ian
You mention above about the m3 arms pushing the wheel out. How much are we looking at? Keep meaning to get some spacers but now don't want to get some that may be too much if I go the lca route. Front wheels 18 - 7.5 - et49. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Paul.
The M3 LCA are approx 10mm longer than stock so roughly centre of wheel is 10mm further out, top of wheel not quite so much as wheel is tipped at an angle as well, i found on my last 130i with M3 LCA and stock wheels, 225/40-18 tyres along with 12mm front spacers tyre just scrubbed a touch inside arch at certain lock and bumps etc, no spacer no problem but i needed to trim a touch of bumper/headlight bracket and also made sure arch lip on wing was pushed back flush and was then ok, all depends on tyres though as not all are same on outer shoulders despite being sized same if that makes sense.

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Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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