N47 Timing chain info thread *QUALITY ENHANCEMENT/RECALL ISSUED* - please read before posting

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Post by stevesurrey » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:19 pm

Give BMW UK a ring or ask your local dealership if the QE still running and whether your car is covered or not.
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Post by Mitchray » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:27 pm

Hi all,

I've just had the dreaded timing chain snap on my 57 plate 118d. :censored: ..I've spoken to BMW and was told my car has already had the recall work done (not during my ownership I've had it for 3 years). My question is surely if it's been done in the last 5 years it should have some warranty on it, as after all chains are made to last a long time. What are your thoughts?

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Post by stevesurrey » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:44 pm

According to BMW website "every Genuine BMW Part comes with a two-year, fitted parts warranty".
So looks like you are outside of that.
Odd that timing chain work was done over 3 years ago as the 'Quality Enhancement' wasnt launched until spring 2015.
Your car must have had a specific issue with the timing chain that was addressed outside of the QE.
Did BMW tell you what work was done (it can vary from simply replacing the tensioner to chains & sprockets etc).
How many miles has the car done since the work ?
Bottom line tho, I think your only hope is some sort of goodwill gesture from BMW.
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Post by Ry_B » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:52 pm

Mitchray wrote:Hi all,

I've just had the dreaded timing chain snap on my 57 plate 118d. :censored: ..I've spoken to BMW and was told my car has already had the recall work done (not during my ownership I've had it for 3 years). My question is surely if it's been done in the last 5 years it should have some warranty on it, as after all chains are made to last a long time. What are your thoughts?

The recall or what they call "quality enhancement" wasn't on 3 years ago ! What exactly was done and by who?

What kind of service history does the car have?
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Post by Mitchray » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:17 pm

When I phoned BMW they couldn't give me a date, I only know it's not been done in the last 3 and half years because I had it during that time and I was never contacted. It snapped the day before I was due to part ex it for another 1 series. I have now bought a 2014 116d sport hopefully with a chain that won't snap. Anything I should look out for in particular with this model. Thanks for your responses by the way I'm new to the site.

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Post by RAUL-87 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:40 pm

Hi Mate.

Tbh... I'm now having my doubts! Another BMW dealer tell me I'm okay as my vehicle isn't on the recall list... and that my engine is the same as the build date of the vehicle which was July 2012.

As previously posted on another timimg chain post... mine is either loud or showing early ish signs of wear! It's more of a rubbing whooshing sound rather than a tapping noise!

I've spoken to two BMW specialists and both have said it sounds like my car could be a sufferer of the timing issue.

So now I'm shaking like a shitting dog haha!! Ffs! Don't know what to do myself now!
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RAUL-87 wrote:Hi mate.

I called BMW and gave them my VIN number. The guy said people think solely on the year of the car, however the build date of the engine is what matters.

Worth a check IMO...

Hi Raul,
was BMW able to provide you with relevant info by giving the VIN number (e.g. the build date of the engine, has the car been fixed when BMW did their QE in 2015, etc.?)
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Post by Mitchray » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:38 pm

hi all,

After speaking to BMW again i have found out that if you didn't take your car in for the "QE" it gets marked as done on their system.
so mine hasn't been done after all !!! WAN*ERS.

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Post by dajackel12 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:32 pm

Hi

I'm hoping someone can really help me out, I've had an issue with my E90 where I was getting the EML and was advised by a specialist that it's the fault code is showing as the EGR valve and DPF, He recommended cleaning the EGR first and clearing the codes to perform a Regen on the DPF.

To cut a long story short, took it to the garage to perform the EGR clean, when they started the engine it started making a loud rattling noise. I checked it out myself and on startup the noise stopped but while the engine is idling it shakes violantly for 1 - 2 seconds and rattles then back to normal. It happened a few times.

The specialist (and friend) said it's serious and he suspects it the Timing chain on it and it could go at any time. I drove the car back home and tried to book it in with BMW for a diagnostic in the hope they may be able to fix it under goodwill if it is the timing chain.

Has anyone else experience this? Any advise would be great as I really can't afford to get it fixed if it goes. I'm considering getting some used car warranty as well just incase.

I made a video hoping to capture the shake but it didn't happen again, I'm hoping someone can check out the video and possible tell if it's timing chain?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuyaJHQ20M



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Post by RAUL-87 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:08 pm

Mitchray wrote:hi all,

After speaking to BMW again i have found out that if you didn't take your car in for the "QE" it gets marked as done on their system.
so mine hasn't been done after all !!! WAN*ERS.
Hi Mate.

What year and model was yours? Did they say you can get it done as it was missed?
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Post by eddym » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:15 pm

Hi,

I'm new to the forum and have found a wealth of information here, so thank you!

I recently bought my first BMW; a 2008 (58) 120d Hatchback M Sport in Sparkling Graphite. I love the car and it is everything I hoped for.

I did a fair bit of research before buying and knew about the timing chain issues before buying and took it into consideration when short-listing cars to buy. I ended up buying a 58 plate (N47D20A engine) with 76.000 on the clock. It has been well serviced but not all BMW. I had been looking for one with less miles, but bought this one because a previous owner had the timing chains, guides and tensioners replaced at around 41600 miles in November 2013 costing around £1200. At the time of purchase, I thought that this work in 2013 would have me insulated from the potential issues and that this 'sorted' car with 76000 would be a better bet than one with 60.000 miles that was not, as well as being cheaper! I have since visited my local BMW dealership who ran the car through their system and confirmed that the car had the enhancement done in 2015, this was the tensioners I believe. At this stage, I was really happy that I was safe from the potential issues.

I have now read a bit more (this thread) and it seems that changing the chains and guides are only prolonging the inevitable and that other parts should also be changed to completely solve the problem, I am a little confused as to why the previous keeper would not do the extra parts required as well, I would have! (I will contact the garage that did the work and see what they think also).

The car sounds, drives and goes like a dream, but my question is: Is it only a matter of time before I have issues because sprockets/shafts or other parts were not changed? Or am I just being paranoid? Or is it something that I can ignore for another 50.000 miles?? I don't do a huge mileage and I was hoping to keep the car for many years without having catastrophic engine issues.

Any advice, or words to put my mind at rest would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by MontegoBlue » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:47 am

There was never anything wrong with the chains or camshaft - perhaps a dodgy batch in the early 2007 batches. But, anything after that is just dam unlucky.

Prolong oil service regimes are known to be the issues of creating this problem further along the line, anything after 50k it's advised to change oil and filter every 8-10k if you want your car to last a good few years and miles.

I had a 118d N47 2008 so was the vintage one if you like. No issue at all, in-fact I worried all the way up to 170,000 miles and still it was perfect.

Only problems I had was new flywheel and EGR valve - normal modern diesel issues :roll:

I have friends who drive these cars albeit (3 series) upto 200-250,000 miles and still no issues, the secret is oil services regularly.

And the noise you hear (cha-cha-cha or sh-shh-shh) is normal also, it's the chain running over the guides which on the later engines had rubber inserts to reduce the noise for aesthetic reasons not mechanical.

So from a me who runs these engines alot, i wouldn't worry, but reading online isn't going to help your fears.

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Post by Matt17121991 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:44 pm

I'm looking at a 2010 60 plate 120d.

I assume this year engine would be less prone to timing chain issues. It has 84k and a full service history, I haven't been to view the car yet but from the pictures of service history it has only been serviced according to BMW's 20k intervals, unless there are some more invoices hiding away when I go to view. From reading this thread most people recommend every 8-10k for oil change, would you stay well away? Or go and have a look and listen to the engine for any excessive timing chain noise? The car does have a 6 month warranty as stated in the advert and I would look to take out a BMW warranty after this.

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Post by Nathanmartin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:02 am

Hello

I have been reading this with great interest. And found some useful info on this thread.

I am hopefully about to purchase my first BMW however reading through this has somewhat made me apprehensive. I am looking at a finance deal which is likely to be between 3-4 years so whilst I appreciate cars are cars and they aren't bombproof I just want to check the engine that I am looking at and if it falls under the first category of will go wrong or category 2 could make an annoying noise. (I know all engines can go wrong but hopefully you get what I mean!) the car is a BMW 1 series 118d ES. On an 08 plate.

I did a search of the vehicles registration and was able to find the engine codes from that. The N47D20U0 and then in brackets underneath that another code (N47D20A). I thought I read earlier that the N47D20U0 engine was likely to make a noise but not fail.

My apprehension comes from my previous car which was an old golf. It was only £400 and the cambelt snapped on that going down the motorway. Obviously reading into this I would just like to confirm if it is indeed the problematic engine.

Any help assistance guidance is much appreciated!! There are a few options for me and am going to be looking at a few cars tomorrow and through the weekend

Thanks!!

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Post by rob180bhp » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:00 pm

Pauls1979 wrote:Hi

New to the forum and new to BMW

Finally managed myself to get myself a 2008 320d. Lovely car, high mileage but full BMW service history.

I didn't know anything about this design fault before I bought the car. Not that I can hear any dodgy noises coming from the engine but I'm now in a bit of a flap that at any minute my car is gonna give up on me. What I have paid for the car is a lot of money to me and I can't afford to loose it. But worst than that. It's spoiling my driving experience.

I was wondering if anybody knows if BMW are still doing the mentioned quality enhancement and if I'd still be able to get mine done. Is there a time limit etc?

To be honest this is my first decent car. And I feel at a bit of a loose end after reading through a lot disaster stories on the web

Any guidance would be appreciated
You will never have peace of mind while driving a highish millage bmw with that engine period, the fault will always be at the back of your mind
Once the chain goes its fix it or scrap it not good options I'd sell it while it's running well and gain peace of mini in a different car......

Where are all the horrors threads about other bmw engines?

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Post by stevesurrey » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:41 pm

Nathanmartin wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:02 am
Hello

I have been reading this with great interest. And found some useful info on this thread.

I am hopefully about to purchase my first BMW however reading through this has somewhat made me apprehensive. I am looking at a finance deal which is likely to be between 3-4 years so whilst I appreciate cars are cars and they aren't bombproof I just want to check the engine that I am looking at and if it falls under the first category of will go wrong or category 2 could make an annoying noise. (I know all engines can go wrong but hopefully you get what I mean!) the car is a BMW 1 series 118d ES. On an 08 plate.

I did a search of the vehicles registration and was able to find the engine codes from that. The N47D20U0 and then in brackets underneath that another code (N47D20A). I thought I read earlier that the N47D20U0 engine was likely to make a noise but not fail.

My apprehension comes from my previous car which was an old golf. It was only £400 and the cambelt snapped on that going down the motorway. Obviously reading into this I would just like to confirm if it is indeed the problematic engine.

Any help assistance guidance is much appreciated!! There are a few options for me and am going to be looking at a few cars tomorrow and through the weekend

Thanks!!
An '08 plate is likely to be one of the early and therefore most vulnerable versions of the N47 engine. Unless you're given proof its had all the chains, sprockets and guides replaced by BMW under the recall/Quality Enhancement I would leave it alone. Do you do the miles to warrant a diesel ?
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