Clutch Judder?

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by AP1 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:40 pm

How long will it last? Who knows? It will wear some of the clutch away. The best long term fix is a new clutch and flywheel.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by MontegoBlue » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:16 pm

AP1 wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:40 pm
How long will it last? Who knows? It will wear some of the clutch away. The best long term fix is a new clutch and flywheel.
(Doing this technique every now and then) My flywheel lasted until 135k it's the flywheel that's the issue, I got new clutch fitted at the same time, wear was completely minimal when they swapped it out. Once swapped it was perfect, up until 170k when I sold the car :cry:

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Tennant » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:19 pm

Just to update, BMW have had my car for 3 weeks nearly. I ordered a second independent engineer to look at the car a week ago.

When I was in the workshop at BMW when my clutch came out the Technician admitted there was a new clutch. The saga continues.

Also just to add Here are what I believe is the new part number. 21 20 7 638 466


http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/21207638466/

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by MontegoBlue » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:02 am

Yes the clutch was revised at some point after 2008 - when I bought my new LUK clutch from EuroCarParts, it stated on the box (revised damper) so this may be what helps reduce the juddering.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by ukmonkey » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:56 pm

Tennant wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:19 pm
Just to update, BMW have had my car for 3 weeks nearly. I ordered a second independent engineer to look at the car a week ago.

When I was in the workshop at BMW when my clutch came out the Technician admitted there was a new clutch. The saga continues.

Also just to add Here are what I believe is the new part number. 21 20 7 638 466


http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/21207638466/
Did they sort it in the end ?
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Tennant » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:17 pm

Issue finally sorted.

BMW Fitted the revised clutch and a new flywheel, they tried to get away with just fitting the clutch. To eliminate all issues and as normally adviced by most clutch specialist, it's good to change the flywheel at the same time.

Because it was brought from a dealership and the issue was mentioned within the warranty, which they refused to admit. Also had a full BMW service history.

BMW uk paid half of the parts and then BMW dealership did the labour at a very good rate. So the total price was highly reduced. Not had a hint of judder since.

Also after paying for this and the getting the car back, had some advice legally that I shouldn't have had to pay for the work, as I had and independent engineers report that said there was a fault and the BMW Mechanic admitted to me and the indepenedant engineer that there was a modified clutch.

Long and short of it and after a long period of waiting got the amount paid refunded.

I will upload pictures of the old and new clutch later.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by hilltest » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:55 pm

Having the same issue, but now clutch has failed. With my wife driving in heavy traffic. She was so frightened she was shaking.

The dealer has quoted me over $5,300 US to install the same defective OEM parts that people have been complaining about after being newly repaired. I found some Sachs Performance parts for this car that are supposed to last longer and the dealer refused to install them.

I've emailed the top executives in Germany and they've opened a "Board Case" with BMW IFM Support and asked if I had any questions. I asked IFM Support about having the dealer install the Sachs Performance clutch (which I have ordered) several days ago and I've heard nothing.

Is anyone interested in pursuing collective action on this?

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Ataraxia » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:43 am

Am I barking up the wrong tree here or am I seeing the same problem? I bought an unmodified 2008 e87 123d m-sport about 8 months ago - sometimes when changing gears in 2-3-4 I get a little wobble it feels, but only for a second. It has been in for all recalls as far as I'm aware.

The other thing is the timing chain noise seems quite bad at least going on youtube vids.

I have a service due in < 1k miles. At 92k miles now, should I look at getting the chain + clutch/flywheel done all in one go? I bought the BMW drivetrain warranty for some peace of mind.

Thanks for any advice.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by selecta7 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:05 am

So theoretically, as long as I buy an LUK clutch and flywheel from eurocarparts then it should be the revised version? Or does anyone have a link to the revised clucth and flywheel? Surely they don't still sell the faulty one.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Tennant » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:42 pm

If you look at the clutch you can see the modfied part. The one on the right is the original part, which has a solid designed center, the one on the left has a two part centre (With the revised damper) which means that it can absorb the virbations that cause the clutch judder.

https://imgur.com/a/1iNmrys

However, My clutch when removed was not worn and hadn't failed. It was just not design correctly to remove the virations from the engine.

The flywheel is the same, BMW only replaced my flywheel because I insisted it was done.

The new Clutch part number is 21 20 7 638 466.

This replaces part number 21 20 7 568 301.

http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/21207638466/

Also as far as I'm aware the 123d does not have a modified part as I don't believe its the same as the 120d. But I have not fully researched this.

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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by DWE81 » Mon May 28, 2018 1:31 pm

Annoyingly my clutch has started to judder quite badly on cold starts but disappears after 5 mins or so. I go through a big roundabout soon after leaving my house to get to work so it's starting to get dangerous. Once the juddering stops the clutch is perfectly fine and still grabs as well as it did when I first got the car so definitely not looking to replace anything as of yet.

Possible oil leak contaminating the clutch which is why it only happens when the car has been sitting over night?
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Kierownik » Tue May 29, 2018 9:43 am

I had a proper juddering problem. Did 2 take offs on 2nd gear and it's been a month now and it's still fine. No juddering.
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Re: Clutch Judder?

Post by Tennant » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:03 pm

Same symptoms as mine, not rhyme or reason to what seems to cause it, sometimes it was fine and sometimes not.

The modified clutch linked above does fix this issue.

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