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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by HarveyBuh » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:22 pm

dj_troopa wrote:Stance and stretch ruins the cars abilities?

Just because a lot of BMW owners on here aren't into that 'look' and want near enough OEM feel for their cars, it doesn't mean stance and stretch is crap for everyone else. Blimey.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by GeeRam » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:23 pm

Wibbles wrote:All sounds like a load of form over function bollox to me mate. Handling over looks any day of the week.
I'm with you there......but, such stupidity isn't new, as I'm old enough to remember when it was supposedly 'cool' to do this sort of thing to Cortina's and Capri's etc. :lol:

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Post by Sonic1506 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:57 am

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Wibbles wrote:All sounds like a load of form over function bollox to me mate. Handling over looks any day of the week.
Each to their own Monsieur Wibbles. If everyone did the same thing, the world would be a boring place :).
For sure mi amigo. No offence meant, just my opinion.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Sonic1506 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:33 am

GeeRam wrote:
Wibbles wrote:All sounds like a load of form over function bollox to me mate. Handling over looks any day of the week.
I'm with you there......but, such stupidity isn't new, as I'm old enough to remember when it was supposedly 'cool' to do this sort of thing to Cortina's and Capri's etc. :lol:

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I don't see anything wrong with that. Looks quite nice actually. British style Gasser.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by GeeRam » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:44 pm

Sonic1506 wrote: I don't see anything wrong with that. Looks quite nice actually. British style Gasser.
Not really Gasser style, got to be high up all around for a Gasser, that 'tina is just a typical 70's UK custom scene thing.

For 70's/80's UK Gasser you need to look no further than the infamous issue number 1 of Street Machine and the legend that was Henry Hi-Rise 8)

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Post by Sonic1506 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:52 pm

GeeRam wrote:
Sonic1506 wrote: I don't see anything wrong with that. Looks quite nice actually. British style Gasser.
Not really Gasser style, got to be high up all around for a Gasser, that 'tina is just a typical 70's UK custom scene thing.

For 70's/80's UK Gasser you need to look no further than the infamous issue number 1 of Street Machine and the legend that was Henry Hi-Rise 8)

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It reminded me of the Gasser style is what I should have said. I like the Gasser look :). Is it a Ford Hot Rod you're building/getting? I can't remember.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by GeeRam » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:18 pm

Sonic1506 wrote: Is it a Ford Hot Rod you're building/getting? I can't remember.
Yup, 1932 Ford 3 window coupe.
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Post by Sonic1506 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:21 pm

GeeRam wrote:
Sonic1506 wrote: Is it a Ford Hot Rod you're building/getting? I can't remember.
Yup, 1932 Ford 3 window coupe.
Nice! Can't wait to see updates :D. Eagerly watching.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by PazzaAE86 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:51 pm

Man.. This thread makes me all kinds of testy haha.

M2, Civic Type R, M3 comp pack as stated all come with stretched tyres from the factory so it's an odd area for MOT failures I would say, since OEM are doing it... And a stretched tyre will have a stiffer sidewall than a non stretched tyre because the plys are working towards each other, each resisting roll to a larger extent than a square tyre... So there can be performance merits to it, giving more direct feed back and increased response due to less sidewall give.

I do think that it's a pretty stupid thing to take to extremes, like on some 1 litre polo with tiny tyres hanging on for dear life, but a little bit of pull can look quite sweet on a serious car.. But getting wider wheels rather than buying narrower tyres should be the way :)

And I don't for one minute believe it's unsafe when done to reasonable standards. I've driven some of my cars as hard as I could, 120mph sideways into the luffield complex at Silverstone for example, with stretched tyres and not had one instance of debeading.

Also, the trend definitely started in Japan. The euro scene cottoned on some 20 years later I'd say.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by CraigG » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 pm

PazzaAE86 wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:51 pm
M2, Civic Type R, M3 comp pack as stated all come with stretched tyres from the factory so it's an odd area for MOT failures I would say, since OEM are doing it...
Factories will not fit undersized tyres, that is just asking for a lawsuit for ANY issue on the tyres... not sure where you got your information but i found the following sizes for the 3 cars mentioned after 5 mins on google, none of which are stretched, or even close to it. as makes sense, more tyre is always better.

M3 Competition pack: 9J x 20 wrapped in 265/30 R20 tyres, 10K x 20 with 285/30 R20 rubber
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by rob180bhp » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:58 pm

It's extreme stretch that exposes the bead that is an mot fail, not any given size on any given rim


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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by PazzaAE86 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:16 pm

CraigG wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 pm
Factories will not fit undersized tyres, that is just asking for a lawsuit for ANY issue on the tyres... not sure where you got your information but i found the following sizes for the 3 cars mentioned after 5 mins on google, none of which are stretched, or even close to it. as makes sense, more tyre is always better.

M3 Competition pack: 9J x 20 wrapped in 265/30 R20 tyres, 10K x 20 with 285/30 R20 rubber
M2: Front 8 1/2Jx18 235/40R18 95V XL Rear: 9Jx18 255/35R18 94V XL
TypeR: 8.5x20 245/30R20
I'm just going off what I see with my eyes, when I see these cars in person. Numbers will only take you so far, tyres fit differently from manufacturer to manufacturer and the last m2 I saw had 100 percent visably stretched tyres.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Blind Pugh » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:44 pm

CraigG wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 pm
M2: Front 8 1/2Jx18 235/40R18 95V XL Rear: 9Jx18 255/35R18 94V XL
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by rob180bhp » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:11 pm

Different people and vosa have different opinions of what stretch is

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