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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by rob180bhp » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:14 pm

Are you a tester sonic?
What about the other 10000 examples that you have not shown? We have different opinions which will pass and fail

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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by weasley » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:16 pm

Good.

"Stretch" and "stance" are some of the worst examples of form over function out there. Ruin a car's primary abilities by making it look a certain way, and only because other people do it. :roll:
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:18 pm

rob180bhp wrote:Are you a tester sonic?
What about the other 10000 examples that you have not shown? We have different opinions which will pass and fail

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I'm not a tester but I know few MOT testers. Stupid stretch like the first image I put up will be a fail. You don't need to be a tester to see that or know that it is dangerous. I've run 3 cars with varying stretch across various different wheels, (nothing OTT like I showed all subtle) and passed no problems with no advisories. So I'm talking from my experience. I showed extremes of what WILL Fail and what WILL pass in my experience.

What's your opinion on both of the images? I take it you think both should fail?

Stretch is not something that has boomed recently either. It's been around for YEARS. Well before it even hit the UK/Europe. Stretch has been around in drifting for a LONG LONG time and still is both in Grassroots and D1. Reason being because grassroots drifters just wanted to get out on the track and drift, hence using whatever tyres they could to do the sport. It then made its way into the stance/euro scene. Japanese have been doing it for YEARS with the Boso/VIP scene.

The main reason people do it in terms of the Euro/Stance scene is to get wheels to fit their cars for those that don't know given that the law states tread needs to be kept under the arch and there can only be 30mm of protrusion from the arch. Hence stretch to keep the tread under the arch. I've seen some people on various different groups, go for stretch only because the tyres are cheaper to buy, why would you put cheap tyres on your car is beyond me but hey ho, it's what people do.
weasley wrote:Good.

"Stretch" and "stance" are some of the worst examples of form over function out there. Ruin a car's primary abilities by making it look a certain way, and only because other people do it. :roll:
This is why modification came about. One person started it and then people followed by thinking, I like that, why don't I do the same but make a little change here. That statement can be said for anything. Had there been no modified cars in the world and everyone drove around in standard cars, would you be the first person to modify a car?
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by dj_troopa » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:00 pm

Stance and stretch ruins the cars abilities?

Just because a lot of BMW owners on here aren't into that 'look' and want near enough OEM feel for their cars, it doesn't mean stance and stretch is crap for everyone else. Blimey.
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Wibbles » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:14 pm

Stance'd cars look stupid, driving with stretched tyres looks stupid and above all is dangerous to the driver and other road users. Your 1.0 Lupo on air ride with more stretch and poke than a German porn star might seem cool but in reality you are depriving a village of an idiot. :starwars:
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Post by dj_troopa » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:24 pm

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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:26 pm

Wibbles wrote:Stance'd cars look stupid, driving with stretched tyres looks stupid and above all is dangerous to the driver and other road users. Your 1.0 Lupo on air ride with more stretch and poke than a German porn star might seem cool but in reality you are depriving a village of an idiot. :starwars:
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Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Wibbles » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:28 pm

They look like race cars not stance'd cars.
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Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:52 pm

Wibbles wrote:They look like rice cars not stance'd cars.
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Post by rob180bhp » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:02 pm

Sonic1506 wrote:
rob180bhp wrote:Are you a tester sonic?
What about the other 10000 examples that you have not shown? We have different opinions which will pass and fail

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I'm not a tester but I know few MOT testers. Stupid stretch like the first image I put up will be a fail. You don't need to be a tester to see that or know that it is dangerous. I've run 3 cars with varying stretch across various different wheels, (nothing OTT like I showed all subtle) and passed no problems with no advisories. So I'm talking from my experience. I showed extremes of what WILL Fail and what WILL pass in my experience.

What's your opinion on both of the images? I take it you think both should fail?

Stretch is not something that has boomed recently either. It's been around for YEARS. Well before it even hit the UK/Europe. Stretch has been around in drifting for a LONG LONG time and still is both in Grassroots and D1. Reason being because grassroots drifters just wanted to get out on the track and drift, hence using whatever tyres they could to do the sport. It then made its way into the stance/euro scene. Japanese have been doing it for YEARS with the Boso/VIP scene.

The main reason people do it in terms of the Euro/Stance scene is to get wheels to fit their cars for those that don't know given that the law states tread needs to be kept under the arch and there can only be 30mm of protrusion from the arch. Hence stretch to keep the tread under the arch. I've seen some people on various different groups, go for stretch only because the tyres are cheaper to buy, why would you put cheap tyres on your car is beyond me but hey ho, it's what people do.
weasley wrote:Good.

"Stretch" and "stance" are some of the worst examples of form over function out there. Ruin a car's primary abilities by making it look a certain way, and only because other people do it. :roll:
This is why modification came about. One person started it and then people followed by thinking, I like that, why don't I do the same but make a little change here. That statement can be said for anything. Had there been no modified cars in the world and everyone drove around in standard cars, would you be the first person to modify a car?
I can only pass or fail what the vosa manual dictates to me regardless of what I personally think

I hate stretch tyres it's just dangerous but that's just an opinion



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Re: RE: Re: Stretched Tyres now MOT Fail

Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:04 pm

rob180bhp wrote: I can only pass or fail what the vosa manual dictates to me regardless of what I personally think

I hate stretch tyres it's just dangerous but that's just an opinion



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So, according to this:

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/st ... t-failure/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image 1 I posted is a fail.
Image 2 I posted goes down as an advisory but vehicle passes.

As per government guidelines.
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Post by rob180bhp » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:06 pm

Sonic1506 wrote:
rob180bhp wrote: I can only pass or fail what the vosa manual dictates to me regardless of what I personally think

I hate stretch tyres it's just dangerous but that's just an opinion



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So, according to this:

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/st ... t-failure/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Image 1 I posted is a fail.
Image 2 I posted goes down as an advisory but vehicle passes.

As per government guidelines.
Problem is that's just 2 examples, the tester has to use the manual to determine about the others and that's where it's a mine field

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Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:07 pm

rob180bhp wrote:Problem is that's just 2 examples, the tester has to use the manual to determine about the others and that's where it's a mine field

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Two extreme examples which I picked out on purpose. I am aware there's HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of different combinations. Different tyres stretch differently as well.
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Post by rob180bhp » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:08 pm

Sonic1506 wrote:
rob180bhp wrote:Problem is that's just 2 examples, the tester has to use the manual to determine about the others and that's where it's a mine field

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Two extreme examples which I picked out on purpose.
I'm a fair tester lol

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Post by Sonic1506 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:11 pm

rob180bhp wrote:I'm a fair tester lol

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As I've said I've never had an issue with stretch at MOT because I don't go overboard. The only time I've been worried about MOT is when it comes to my cars being too low. So if a car came to you with Image 1 would you fail it? If a car came to you with Image 2 would you fail it?
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