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M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by Floydian » Tue May 01, 2018 3:11 am

My friend is thinking of getting his 120d remapped (163hp version). A tuner has told him that they could get 230hp out of this engine. I know turbo diesels respond well to remapping but I am not sure of a 67hp bump. Isn’t this hybrid turbo or big turbo territory? Is it even possible with just a remap and a few addons such as intake, exhaust, and cat delete to get 67hp on this engine?

Has anyone got their 120d remapped? What were your gains?

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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by marco_polo » Tue May 01, 2018 6:59 am

230 sounds like pub talk on a happy dyno to me. A healthy, standard low-mileage car might make nearer 210, mine made 200 which I was rather pleased with.

It's the mid-range torque which makes the real world difference anyway, not the peak nonsense figure. :)
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by Floydian » Tue May 01, 2018 12:56 pm

marco_polo wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 6:59 am
230 sounds like pub talk on a happy dyno to me. A healthy, standard low-mileage car might make nearer 210, mine made 200 which I was rather pleased with.

It's the mid-range torque which makes the real world difference anyway, not the peak nonsense figure. :)
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by marco_polo » Tue May 01, 2018 2:50 pm

It was about 8 years ago, can't recall off the top of my swede, sorry. If you want to search through my old posts you might find that info, good luck!
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M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by jason@bwchiptune » Mon May 14, 2018 4:22 am

You would normally see 210-215 Bhp from these 120d 163bhp on a honest dyno

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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by HaiderGill » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 pm

The guys bull-shitting. You have to account for age as well, Jason got mine to hit 300 Lb-Ft/185 BHP last year, it was turning out 145 BHP stock. It was 55 plate 130K miles on the clock auto. The auto probably isn't as efficient as it once was. The injector were about a year old (4 remanfactured ones direct from Bosch) and about a year and half old OE turbo from Mitsubishi. No swirl flaps and the intake manifold had been soaked and cleaned overnight when the turbo was changed. Also had 4 new glow plugs and controller changed a couple of years prior to this along with ZF ATF and sump change. So a I wouldn't believe the guy claiming more than 200 BHP even when the car was new and had been broken in. Jason spotted that the engine and EGR thermostat weren't working so those were replaced on the same day, which meant the guys had to stay back to get that done. Much appreciated...I'll be honest I wouldn't let anyone else mess with the brains of my engine (ECU), idiots can really f up your car. Jason knows his stuff...
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by paddyboy » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:48 pm

HaiderGill wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 pm
The guys bull-shitting. You have to account for age as well, Jason got mine to hit 300 Lb-Ft/185 BHP last year, it was turning out 145 BHP stock. It was 55 plate 130K miles on the clock auto. The auto probably isn't as efficient as it once was. The injector were about a year old (4 remanfactured ones direct from Bosch) and about a year and half old OE turbo from Mitsubishi. No swirl flaps and the intake manifold had been soaked and cleaned overnight when the turbo was changed. Also had 4 new glow plugs and controller changed a couple of years prior to this along with ZF ATF and sump change. So a I wouldn't believe the guy claiming more than 200 BHP even when the car was new and had been broken in. Jason spotted that the engine and EGR thermostat weren't working so those were replaced on the same day, which meant the guys had to stay back to get that done. Much appreciated...I'll be honest I wouldn't let anyone else mess with the brains of my engine (ECU), idiots can really f up your car. Jason knows his stuff...
Very interesting figures HaiderGill - interesting because you know the bhp stock figure + its an auto

So basically assuming your car was 163 bhp new it had dropped 11% (down to 145 bhp) in 13 years

But then your remap gave you a 27.6% increase in your bhp (from 145 to 185) - how did that feel driving it afterwards? Sounds like you spent a few quid on it as well do you think its worth the cost for the extra bhp?

I was sort of looking with going down that route with a 120d auto or a 320d auto - its a shame so many horses have escaped from that 163 bhp stock figure
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by jason@bwchiptune » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:11 pm

This is what I normally see from our remap on a 120d 2006 163bhp

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Extra 45-50bhp
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by HaiderGill » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:06 am

paddyboy wrote:
HaiderGill wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 pm
The guys bull-shitting. You have to account for age as well, Jason got mine to hit 300 Lb-Ft/185 BHP last year, it was turning out 145 BHP stock. It was 55 plate 130K miles on the clock auto. The auto probably isn't as efficient as it once was. The injector were about a year old (4 remanfactured ones direct from Bosch) and about a year and half old OE turbo from Mitsubishi. No swirl flaps and the intake manifold had been soaked and cleaned overnight when the turbo was changed. Also had 4 new glow plugs and controller changed a couple of years prior to this along with ZF ATF and sump change. So a I wouldn't believe the guy claiming more than 200 BHP even when the car was new and had been broken in. Jason spotted that the engine and EGR thermostat weren't working so those were replaced on the same day, which meant the guys had to stay back to get that done. Much appreciated...I'll be honest I wouldn't let anyone else mess with the brains of my engine (ECU), idiots can really f up your car. Jason knows his stuff...
Very interesting figures HaiderGill - interesting because you know the bhp stock figure + its an auto

So basically assuming your car was 163 bhp new it had dropped 11% (down to 145 bhp) in 13 years

But then your remap gave you a 27.6% increase in your bhp (from 145 to 185) - how did that feel driving it afterwards? Sounds like you spent a few quid on it as well do you think its worth the cost for the extra bhp?

I was sort of looking with going down that route with a 120d auto or a 320d auto - its a shame so many horses have escaped from that 163 bhp stock figure
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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by Rian1991 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Egr blanked and swirl flaps removed,
Stage 1 map 209hp 437 torque
Full milltek sport exhaust With decat

Not sure if I could get more or not but it's quite a brutal power delivery in mine

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Re: M47 E87 120d Remap

Post by jason@bwchiptune » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:33 am

Rian1991 wrote:Egr blanked and swirl flaps removed,
Stage 1 map 209hp 437 torque
Full milltek sport exhaust With decat

Not sure if I could get more or not but it's quite a brutal power delivery in mine
The main thing you need is more torque to make the car faster than it is
More Bhp will give you a higher top end

The 1st thing we would need to do is dyno your car on our dyno
You say your car made 437 which would be NM so in ft it would be around 322ft

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Our dyno normally read less than or tuners dynos which is a fact so we should see around 15-20ft plus from your car or even more
If you can tell me who's dyno your car was tested on I may be able show you an example



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