[40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

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Which tuning box ?

JB+ all the way. A more mature company
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64%
Let's give Bluespark a chance/try
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Other brand, far better...
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Kerr » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:51 am

This is getting interesting. :lol:

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Bmw_ire_2012 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:53 am

I see see it getting hit the lock button lol
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by louisjack23 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am

Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:51 am
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:41 am
Show me any tuning company that states any stock figure other than what the manufacturer claims. There is nothing deceptive about anything. JB4, JB+,TMC, all the same. Revo, APR, MRC to go into other marques, name one that shows standard power as being anything other than manufacturer claimed power.
JB4 doesn't even quote stock numbers. They just say the "increased" amount.

And use a dyno which shows the stock and tuned plots.

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So there you go.
''How about up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car on pump gas for a B58''

Straight from the JB4 website. Show me a graph where a stock B58 has made 340bhp and then after using just a JB4 has made 420bhp

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Jahjaman » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:04 pm

louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am
Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:51 am
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:41 am
Show me any tuning company that states any stock figure other than what the manufacturer claims. There is nothing deceptive about anything. JB4, JB+,TMC, all the same. Revo, APR, MRC to go into other marques, name one that shows standard power as being anything other than manufacturer claimed power.
JB4 doesn't even quote stock numbers. They just say the "increased" amount.

And use a dyno which shows the stock and tuned plots.

Image

So there you go.
''How about up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car on pump gas for a B58''

Straight from the JB4 website. Show me a graph where a stock B58 has made 340bhp and then after using just a JB4 has made 420bhp
Mate where does it say the JB made 420?
That graph I quoted was for one of the maps.

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

Or do you not understand what this debate is about?
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by louisjack23 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:10 pm

Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:04 pm
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am
Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:51 am


JB4 doesn't even quote stock numbers. They just say the "increased" amount.

And use a dyno which shows the stock and tuned plots.

Image

So there you go.
''How about up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car on pump gas for a B58''

Straight from the JB4 website. Show me a graph where a stock B58 has made 340bhp and then after using just a JB4 has made 420bhp
Mate where does it say the JB made 420?
That graph I quoted was for one of the maps.

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

Or do you not understand what this debate is about?
It states on the website that it will make 80hp at the crank over stock. Show me a graph that backs this up.

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Jahjaman » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:15 pm

louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:10 pm
Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:04 pm
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am


''How about up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car on pump gas for a B58''

Straight from the JB4 website. Show me a graph where a stock B58 has made 340bhp and then after using just a JB4 has made 420bhp
Mate where does it say the JB made 420?
That graph I quoted was for one of the maps.

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

Or do you not understand what this debate is about?
It states on the website that it will make 80hp at the crank over stock. Show me a graph that backs this up.
I'll repeat:

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

I'm done.
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by louisjack23 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:19 pm

Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:15 pm
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:10 pm
Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:04 pm


Mate where does it say the JB made 420?
That graph I quoted was for one of the maps.

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

Or do you not understand what this debate is about?
It states on the website that it will make 80hp at the crank over stock. Show me a graph that backs this up.
I'll repeat:

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

I'm done.
The original argument was falsifying claims! You are correct in that they don't specify stock output, however, they falsely claim that they can produce 80bhp over standard. They can't can they! Yet everyone licks it's arse and sings it's praises.

All I have been doing and trying to get across is that the Bluespark is a well made unit that produces great results which are equal to the JB4 for £160 delivered. Some people clearly don't like that!

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by duckson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:19 pm

Link to this JB informtion?

(i dont even have a B58, jsut interested!).
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by M-140i » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:29 pm

duckson wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:19 pm
Link to this JB informtion?

(i dont even have a B58, jsut interested!).
http://www.burgertuning.com/B48_B58_f_s ... tuner.html
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by jimBabyBMW » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:10 pm

Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:38 am
jimBabyBMW wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:28 am
Despite all the extensive testing and development, they test one car on one dyno and make some claim that no-one achieves. It's not very credible.
It's credible as long as the numbers are comparable.
There are so many variables in a dyno number - correction factors, what gear the pull was made in, the humidity and temperature at the time of pull.

Most important thing is same car, same dyno, same day.

That's the 372 to 415 number. That number is credible

But the marketing material stating 340 to 415? That's complete fallacy.
In order to be credible it needs to be repeatable and consistent. Testing a car that makes way above standard hp, isn't consistent to start with.

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by SkyJawa » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:27 pm

louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:10 pm
Jahjaman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:04 pm
louisjack23 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 am


''How about up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car on pump gas for a B58''

Straight from the JB4 website. Show me a graph where a stock B58 has made 340bhp and then after using just a JB4 has made 420bhp
Mate where does it say the JB made 420?
That graph I quoted was for one of the maps.

Where does it say anywhere on the website that the JB achieves a gain from 340 to 420? There is no mention of "manufacturer stock power = 340" as per your original argument.

Or do you not understand what this debate is about?
It states on the website that it will make 80hp at the crank over stock. Show me a graph that backs this up.
It says “up to” not “you will get” 80bhp.

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by RedUn » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:32 pm

Are we really talking about the construction of sentences on a bmw forum...
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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Rob.H » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:43 am

Are you the manufacturer of the blue spark box Louis, or do you just drink a lot?
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Post by louisjack23 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:02 am

Rob.H wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:43 am
Are you the manufacturer of the blue spark box Louis, or do you just drink a lot?
I'm not no :roll: In all fairness I was having a hell of a day and ended up venting a bit on here!

Nevertheless I stand by my points that the Bluespark box performs as well as a JB4 for a fraction of the costs. There's no need to bash a good product, the more there are for our cars the better. It seems everyone is happy with one product running the market but this isn't the way to move forward in performance or the cost of getting said performance.

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Re: [40 BHP EASY POWER GAIN] Are you, would you be, more JB+ or Bluespark? Or other ?

Post by Jahjaman » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:50 am

louisjack23 wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:02 am
Rob.H wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:43 am
Are you the manufacturer of the blue spark box Louis, or do you just drink a lot?
I'm not no :roll: In all fairness I was having a hell of a day and ended up venting a bit on here!
Well mate, let me just say that I'm sorry that you were not having a good day and I apologise if I added to that with our debate.

Just note that I never bashed on the performance gains of any product, including BlueSpark. I simply questioned the ethics behind the marketing material of said product which, imo, misrepresented the data by comparing numbers that weren't comparable.

372 to 415, I haveno issues with. But 340 to 415 and I believe that has grounds to be misleading and deceptive advertising (comparing non-dyno numbers to dyno numbers).
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