Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by Np01 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:35 pm

docwra wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:18 pm
How TVR drivers manage to get anywhere Ill never know ;) :lol:
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by swanny71 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:46 pm

docwra wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:18 pm
How TVR drivers manage to get anywhere Ill never know ;) :lol:
They are lively but perfectly managable if you don’t drive like a twat.
I do wonder how those brought up with FWD and modern RWD with all the safety nets would cope in a TVR - I suspect the experiment would be short lived but spectacular at the end. :D
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by sgb27 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:00 pm

agm2992mga wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:05 pm
If you want to keep your boxers anything like remotely clean, steer away from this combo..!!

On my way home from work, I tried Sport+ in the wet for a about a whole 60 seconds.. Exiting a corner/roundabout at low speed and without even giving it much right foot, my back end was spun out so that I had to drastically correct the nose pronto.

I gave myself - and I think the guy oncoming - a fright.

I didn't appreciate what a weapon the Sport+ "partial" traction off is in moderate wet!
Don't take this lightly - I advise not to try it yourself.. It will probably only take you one quick go @20mph to think you won't reattempt either!

Be safe..
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If you think that's bad, wait until you try Sport+ in the *dry* and lose the back end... Everything happens 2x faster, including when you hit the kerb...

IME it's the 18" MPSS tyres are mostly to blame for the very quick snap oversteer. On my 17" winter tyres I drove almost exclusively in Sport+ in all conditions, rear-end slides started gradually and were very easy to catch before the Sport+ stability stuff kicked in, I never felt in danger even with TC totally off flooring it out of slow corners. My experience is exactly the same as yours though with Sport+ in the wet on MPSS, it's grip grip grip grip grip BOOM you're sideways in an instant. I wonder if 17" summer tyres would be more predictable?
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by godzilla » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:17 pm

I think the standard car with the e-LSD is unpredictable in the wet in Sport+. With an LSD, DTC On/Sport+ becomes a very usable mode, even/especially in the wet!
It allows predictable, progressive slip then an electronic safety net that gently reins things in if you push it too far. Perfect for fast road driving IMO.

Personally, on the roads around Surrey, which are cratered and broken, I prefer DTC On (quick press of the TC button) to Sport+ as I don't like the heavy steering and firm damping.

RWD does take a completely different approach to FWD or AWD though. Without wishing to sound patronising, booking some tuition either on a track day or skid pan would be a very wise investment to anyone coming straight to an M-Lite as their first RWD car.
I did a drift course at Millbrook in my GT-R (and have done drift courses before in RWD cars), but might do another in the M140i and I've owned loads of RWD cars. Never too old or experienced to continue learning!
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by docwra » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:02 pm

swanny71 wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:46 pm
They are lively but perfectly managable if you don’t drive like a twat.
I do wonder how those brought up with FWD and modern RWD with all the safety nets would cope in a TVR - I suspect the experiment would be short lived but spectacular at the end. :D
Having owned a few 400+hp 200SX's I know where youre coming from :lol:

I think the biggest difference is that going fast in a 200 or TVR actually feels terrifying compared to the 1er (mine is rather heavily modified), the latter is a lot more likely to get you into trouble without you noticing.

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by Bingers » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:27 pm

Sport+ and the ZF8 in manual is my go to, at the end if the day its driver input not the driving mode!

Even in the snow a couple of months back it was fine and as you are in control it behaved like DTC mode.
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by stag74 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:21 pm

Driver aids :lol:
Had nothing but RWD cars since passing my test in the mid 80's.
No driver aids at all back then of course.
Even recently had a Lotus Elise with nothing, and mid engine, so when you over cook...you over cook big style!
Also have an early Maserati 4200, that doesn't have any stability control, so have to be very careful with that too!
What I have therefore noticed with the M140i is that, having similar power/weight as the Maserati, is that it is under tyred in my opinion, and breaks traction much easier both front and rear.
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by harrymaine » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 pm

I've had the car 6 months now... tried sport+ a few times. This weekend reached a corner that was somewhat 90 degrees... spun out and near enough wrote it off. Not sure I'll try that again!!

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by Np01 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:54 am

harrymaine wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 pm
I've had the car 6 months now... tried sport+ a few times. This weekend reached a corner that was somewhat 90 degrees... spun out and near enough wrote it off. Not sure I'll try that again!!
Just out of curiosity, what sort of speeds are you taking round 90 degree corners?
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by mouse140i » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:15 am

Np01 wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:54 am
harrymaine wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:19 pm
I've had the car 6 months now... tried sport+ a few times. This weekend reached a corner that was somewhat 90 degrees... spun out and near enough wrote it off. Not sure I'll try that again!!
Just out of curiosity, what sort of speeds are you taking round 90 degree corners?
What? Like entry speed? Apex speed? Exit speed?

What about the camber of the road? The surface?

I’d be thinking more about how balanced the car was before entering the corner and having a neutral throttle at the very least.

Sounds to me like someone gave it too much right foot too early and wasn’t prepared for the ensuing result.

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by Williams327 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:09 am

LSD makes them very manageable, I came from a golf R and this was my first RWD car. Took me almost a year to get used to but wouldn’t change back now

https://youtu.be/6ACT2WAUJm0

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by msej449 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:41 am

For Christmas, my wife kindly got me a wet weather course voucher for Goodwood, where they use the M240i coupé as the training car. The price was £99 and apparently you're on track for about 20-30 minutes. They also do a more expensive and longer £300 driver training course which I might do if the wet weather one turns out to be good value.

Most M-Lite owners are going to find something similar on offer locally and my experience from one that I did at Hethel many years ago was that it's impossible to learn how to fully handle performance cars on public roads. On the Hethel one we all spun the cars numerous times, knocked over lots of plastic cones, and drove off onto the grass. You simply cant get this sort of learning experience on the road.

In my case, the Hethel training absolutely saved me from a potentially fatal accident and probably from a couple of off-road excursions in the subsequent ten years. So given what I've spent on my M235i, I think budgeting another few hundred £ for refresher training is well worth it. And I'd recommend it to any M-Lite owner who hasn't done this sort of thing before.
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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by louisjack23 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:54 am

Reading some of these posts it's no wonder insurance is so bloody high on these cars! These cars are anything but snappy, I can't remember the last time I drove in anything other than manual and sport+ regardless of the conditions. I'm not claiming to be Senna but it sound's like a lot of people on here sh*te themselves in anything other than comfort.

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by KR15 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:56 am

Williams327 wrote:LSD makes them very manageable, I came from a golf R and this was my first RWD car. Took me almost a year to get used to but wouldn’t change back now

https://youtu.be/6ACT2WAUJm0

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You need to have a serious word with whoever filmed that!

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Re: Word of warning: do not mess with Sport+ in wet!!

Post by Williams327 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:37 am

[/quote]You need to have a serious word with whoever filmed that!

Filming in portrait should be a criminal offence!

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