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130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Synchromesh » Wed May 16, 2018 3:46 pm

Can anyone help with recommendations for brake pads for my 130i?

I've got a Nurburgring/Spa trip coming up, so they need to be suited to road and track use, with minimal fade. Ideally they won't break the bank, either.

Any first hand experience gratefully appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by markhurley » Wed May 16, 2018 4:49 pm

Carbotech Xp8’s job done ! Typ200 fluid or rbf 600

Such a good pad 0 fade and relentless on track , they also work great on the rd but can be a bit noisy.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Red5 » Wed May 16, 2018 4:53 pm

EBC were great on my 130i and are not too expensive either :)

Better than oem cold, but once hot they hauled the car down amazingly well, when the oem pads would have given up ages ago.

I drove the Nordschleife and the GP track.

I know they don’t suit all applications, but they work well on the 130i :)
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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Synchromesh » Wed May 16, 2018 7:37 pm

markhurley wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:49 pm
Carbotech Xp8’s job done ! Typ200 fluid or rbf 600

Such a good pad 0 fade and relentless on track , they also work great on the rd but can be a bit noisy.
According to their website: "Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise."

Probably not for me then!
Red5 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:53 pm
EBC were great on my 130i and are not too expensive either :)

Better than oem cold, but once hot they hauled the car down amazingly well, when the oem pads would have given up ages ago.

I drove the Nordschleife and the GP track.

I know they don’t suit all applications, but they work well on the 130i :)
Which EBC pads were they? They have quite a big range.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Rustle » Wed May 16, 2018 8:06 pm

Ds2500’s will probably see you right. One of our members has done an 8.39 on them in the bmwp calipers so they are up to the job. The ring isn’t hard on brakes, but spa could be and that’s where the 2500’s could start to be shown up. They won’t handle much on a typical uk track, but are ok.

I use the xp8’s and they are brilliant.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Rustle » Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm

Ds2500’s will probably see you right. One of our members has done an 8.39 on them (bmwp calipers) so they are up to the job. The ring isn’t hard on brakes, but spa could be and that’s where the 2500’s could start to be shown up. They won’t handle much pain on a typical uk track, but are ok as a hybrid pad.

I use the xp8’s and they are brilliant.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by markhurley » Wed May 16, 2018 9:42 pm

Red5 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:53 pm
EBC were great on my 130i and are not too expensive either :)

Better than oem cold, but once hot they hauled the car down amazingly well, when the oem pads would have given up ages ago.

I drove the Nordschleife and the GP track.

I know they don’t suit all applications, but they work well on the 130i :)
I used ebc yellow stuff and to be fair they were pretty decent but nothing like a proper track pad ... like rustle said ds2500 are pretty good and would probably suit your needs.

Or do what I do just keep a set of pads for track work then just sling your standard pads in when pottering around .
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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Red5 » Wed May 16, 2018 10:22 pm

Synchromesh wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:37 pm
markhurley wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:49 pm
Carbotech Xp8’s job done ! Typ200 fluid or rbf 600

Such a good pad 0 fade and relentless on track , they also work great on the rd but can be a bit noisy.
According to their website: "Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise."

Probably not for me then!
Red5 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:53 pm
EBC were great on my 130i and are not too expensive either :)

Better than oem cold, but once hot they hauled the car down amazingly well, when the oem pads would have given up ages ago.

I drove the Nordschleife and the GP track.

I know they don’t suit all applications, but they work well on the 130i :)
Which EBC pads were they? They have quite a big range.

Sorry :oops:

They were yellow stuff. Very little extra noise and 75% less dust than oem pads.
I’m just an occasional track / sometimes speedy road driver though. I never made them fade and they never squeaked or squeezed.

Some other here have seen lots of track action though, so I guess it depends on what camp you feel you’ll be in.
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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by docwra » Thu May 17, 2018 8:23 am

XP8 should be fine, DS2500 too although I had some Pagid RS29 that were quiet and not particularly dusty and performed exceptionally on track :)

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Synchromesh » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:53 pm

Just thought I'd give a little update on this:

In the end I decided to try EuroCarParts' finest Brembo (i.e. not Brembo Brembo, but some promise of quality) discs and pads. Took them for a single track session at the end of the day at Bedford, and they went – completely – within a lap!

Oh well, let's give them another go. Took the car to Croft and they were absolutely fine. Until I got through the rear pads by mid-afternoon...

Next track day was at Llandow, so bunged a set of ECP's cheapest (Eicher?) on the rear. Some friends were driving my car and taking it quite easy, but we still managed finish off the fronts, and get a good way through the rears.

Proper pads were in order, then, and settled on Performance Friction Z-rated, the pads we used on the E36 me and a friend raced last year. I've only used them on the road so far and and the pedal feels quite long. We've bled the brakes a few times and it's made no difference, so it's definitely the pads. Hoping they come in to their own at Spa next week, but shall report back.

On the plus side the discs have barely worn.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by docwra » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:07 pm

PFs are very good pads ......... but I cant see how a pad would make a pedal go long, that doesnt make any sense.

Id be looking at your brake fluid cylinders, the brake caliper pistons and even the brake lines themselves, its not going to be the incompressable block of carbon thats doing it.

@Rustle Ive had Pagid RS29's on two cars with no noise and no more dust than a DS2500, might be worth a look :)

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by THETYRANT » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:13 pm

Buy cheap buy twice....or even three times :lol: still at least you know track capable pads are not just the same as cheapo ECP version :).... hopefully the PF pads do ok but the Z-rated version are just fast road spec really so don't try and go too long on track between cool downs, should be ok if you manage heat ok though and don't try and stay out or 30+mins every time.

Long pedal is maybe just pads needing to wear to shape of worn disc, have a look both inner and outer faces make sure pad is full contact, if some unswept area that will be causing long pedal and should come right with more use/bedding in etc. Check all Hydraulics for leaks etc as mentioned above to be safe.
Also make sure you have a track capable fluid in there, if pedal goes long with heat on track fluid is shot and needs replacing/upgrading to something like Motul RBF600 etc.

Rear pad life is short due to DTC using rear brakes, switching it fully off (long press) on pre-facelift 130i will help a lot improve pad life, however on facelift cars this switches the on E-LSD (not on pre-fl) which then uses rear brakes hard to stop wheel spin.

Basically try and drive smooth easing on the power and it will help a lot with rear pad life, Spa is nice flowing track and only place you might be working rear hard is chicane onto start finish.

Enjoy :D
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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Synchromesh » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:57 pm

docwra wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:07 pm
PFs are very good pads ......... but I cant see how a pad would make a pedal go long, that doesnt make any sense.

Id be looking at your brake fluid cylinders, the brake caliper pistons and even the brake lines themselves, its not going to be the incompressable block of carbon thats doing it.
Maybe I didn't describe it well. They feel sort of wooden, with some dead travel at the top. I noticed the change at the exact point the pads were changed. Like the pad compound is harder and needs more pressure (bearing in mind this is in road use so they're cold).
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Buy cheap buy twice....or even three times :lol: still at least you know track capable pads are not just the same as cheapo ECP version :).... hopefully the PF pads do ok but the Z-rated version are just fast road spec really so don't try and go too long on track between cool downs, should be ok if you manage heat ok though and don't try and stay out or 30+mins every time.
To be honest, in previous cars I've found OEM-spec pads fine, so it was worth a go.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:13 pm
Also make sure you have a track capable fluid in there, if pedal goes long with heat on track fluid is shot and needs replacing/upgrading to something like Motul RBF600 etc.
Had it flushed with Type200 when the Brembos were put on.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:13 pm
Rear pad life is short due to DTC using rear brakes, switching it fully off (long press) on pre-facelift 130i will help a lot improve pad life, however on facelift cars this switches the on E-LSD (not on pre-fl) which then uses rear brakes hard to stop wheel spin.
On the Croft day when I got through the rear pads by mid afternoon I had DSC fully off. I wonder if it's because they don't have enough cooling?
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:13 pm
Basically try and drive smooth easing on the power and it will help a lot with rear pad life, Spa is nice flowing track and only place you might be working rear hard is chicane onto start finish.

Enjoy :D
Thanks mate. True that Spa isn't too hard on the brakes, with some nice long straights to cool them down. Going into La Source is a bit of a stop, as well as the 'bus stop'.

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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by THETYRANT » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:32 pm

Oh yes plenty of big braking points at spa :) I was more on about where you are on power in lower gears and likely to spin rears wheels so rear brakes get hard time etc.
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Re: 130i - inexpensive pads for road and track?

Post by Synchromesh » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:26 pm

THETYRANT wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:32 pm
Oh yes plenty of big braking points at spa :) I was more on about where you are on power in lower gears and likely to spin rears wheels so rear brakes get hard time etc.
It's a pre-facelift so no e-diff

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