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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by FirBim » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:32 pm

Welcome, TMInside. I have a high-mileage 120d, and it's perfect for my needs. Like you, I drive a lot and I need the economy. The torque and performance is ample. It has been 100% reliable and I still smile when I see it - especially after a polish & wax day! The best car I've ever owned, and I have no regrets at all.

But... I bought this car at just under 30,000 miles, and I have followed the BBMW recommended regime closely. Oil changes every 6-8k, with 5w40 LL04. Gentle warm-up and cool-off, disabled Start-Stop system etc, and I have BMW extended warranty. This mitigates my risks a lot.

Your proposed purchase is very different. A 100-130k car with BMW CBS FSH might have only had oil changes at >20k intervals, and been driven harshly by lease or company drivers who have no investment in long-term durability. I wouldn't trust the timing chain on a car like that, I would assume it's going to fail quite soon (costing you £3-8k, depending on how you choose to repair it).

If you can get reliable, reputable warranty for £350pa, then that's a great solution. But if the timing chain fails badly, don't be surprised if they write the car off. Otherwise, the only sensible plan is to set aside £1,000 to have the timing chain and gears preventatively replaced after purchase (the new components are better, and you can get the clutch replaced cheaply at the same time).
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by MontegoBlue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:22 am

Get a 118d instead, slightly down on power, less stressed, but you don't need to rag it to go anywhere and doenst have "swirl flaps' like the 120d/123d has (another potential party pooper)

I'm not going to preach about high miles, most of it is luck with any machine, but I would only buy one if

1. It was below 50k and I can then do my own service plan (engine oil, gearbox/diff changes - as I doubt most people even BMW do these) - that way then, you can do what you need to do to get it to high miles, 200k is not unreasonable but other things may rear their heads (EGR valves, DMF clutch/Flywheels) all of which went on my high miler.

They are good cars and engines are ridiculously economical - but, I think the lower 16d/18d are a safer bet and in "real world driving" are very similar, except the 123d of course.

I have a '12 318d E91 N47 (literally last one before F31 replacement) now, bought from my mum (ex-company car) I literally stole that at a stupidly low price at auction with 55k on it. As soon as got it - Oil filter changed, gearbox & diff oil changed, and hunter alignment (it was way off) it's now on 80k (had two more oil changes since then aswell) and runs sweet, got no quarms with this making big odo numbers.

Good luck, end of the day it how you perceive risk, we all see it differently 👍
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by TMInside » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:41 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for all the input! It's very much appreciated. I think after what you guys have said + my own research, I'm going to stay away from the 120D is just sounds like it's going to be a money pit. Think I may go instead with a Golf.

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by 0l0dom0l0 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:46 am

TMInside wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:41 pm
Hi all,

Thanks for all the input! It's very much appreciated. I think after what you guys have said + my own research, I'm going to stay away from the 120D is just sounds like it's going to be a money pit. Think I may go instead with a Golf.
Which will also be a money pit :D

Just have a look at the 325d/330d. 1er and 3er aren't a million miles apart and share a lot of components.

The 6cyl engine is much better all round and still v good on fuel.
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by MontegoBlue » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:43 pm

Don't google Golf issues then :D ....swings and roundabouts I'm afraid.

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by Dirty_badger » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:12 pm

From personal experience every cars have issue and when you go to forums all those issues are made aware. Majority of people join forums due to issues so this makes it seem as though every single car is gonna have that issue.

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by TMInside » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:33 pm

Still haven't decided swinging back to the 120D :mrgreen: :mrgreen:. Also does anyone know if the 120D Coupe has a DPF as well, or do they not require one?

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by marco_polo » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:37 pm

Yes, all diseasil coupe's have a DPF. And an EGR which like to clog up too! :(
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by FirBim » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:03 pm

TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:33 pm
Still haven't decided swinging back to the 120D :mrgreen: :mrgreen:. Also does anyone know if the 120D Coupe has a DPF as well, or do they not require one?
120d is excellent, as long as you've covered the timing chain risk. One of the key points is RWD, practically unique against other hatchback type cars. RWD is so much more rewarding and balanced to drive, for my personal tastes. And a good remap transforms the engine. DPF is no problem as long as you do a decent drive every few weeks, let it regenerate. 325d/330d is a good option too, they're barely a foot longer and the 6cyl engine is much-praised.
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by MontegoBlue » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:30 am

TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:33 pm
Still haven't decided swinging back to the 120D :mrgreen: :mrgreen:. Also does anyone know if the 120D Coupe has a DPF as well, or do they not require one?
Just get one bought, you wont regret it! If it breaks it breaks, just believe it wont, they are very good cars - and being RWD like mentioned above, they are unique in that way and drive great, I wouldn't go back to FWD now - even my 1960's beetle is RWD and is a hoot!
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by TMInside » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:08 pm

Decided to go with the BM. Looked at getting some finance to help me out for a decent spec/lower mileage. Looking at 120D's with around 60/70K on with a decent spec and of course... M SPORT :D.

Got me thinking about the 123D's though... love the sound of having Twin Turbos and surely would fly... I've looked at a couple online... Trouble is.. I'm looking at another £2K more, which I don't want to spend. So just wondering if I get a 120D get a Remap from AMD (Essex) for £400 and how this would then compare against the 123d.

Also if anyone can answer - if all 120D coupes have an Aux or USB? I've seen it on a couple and wasn't sure if they all do. Only reason I ask is I'll have to buy a FM transmitter for the drive home then sort it out at a later date.

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by Toed64 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 pm

TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:08 pm
Decided to go with the BM. Looked at getting some finance to help me out for a decent spec/lower mileage. Looking at 120D's with around 60/70K on with a decent spec and of course... M SPORT :D.

Got me thinking about the 123D's though... love the sound of having Twin Turbos and surely would fly... I've looked at a couple online... Trouble is.. I'm looking at another £2K more, which I don't want to spend. So just wondering if I get a 120D get a Remap from AMD (Essex) for £400 and how this would then compare against the 123d.

Also if anyone can answer - if all 120D coupes have an Aux or USB? I've seen it on a couple and wasn't sure if they all do. Only reason I ask is I'll have to buy a FM transmitter for the drive home then sort it out at a later date.
If it's got a Professional head unit, it's likely to have the USB and aux input. The Business HU may only have the aux 3.5mm jack. Good luck.
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by TMInside » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:35 pm

Toed64 wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 pm
TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:08 pm
Decided to go with the BM. Looked at getting some finance to help me out for a decent spec/lower mileage. Looking at 120D's with around 60/70K on with a decent spec and of course... M SPORT :D.

Got me thinking about the 123D's though... love the sound of having Twin Turbos and surely would fly... I've looked at a couple online... Trouble is.. I'm looking at another £2K more, which I don't want to spend. So just wondering if I get a 120D get a Remap from AMD (Essex) for £400 and how this would then compare against the 123d.

Also if anyone can answer - if all 120D coupes have an Aux or USB? I've seen it on a couple and wasn't sure if they all do. Only reason I ask is I'll have to buy a FM transmitter for the drive home then sort it out at a later date.
If it's got a Professional head unit, it's likely to have the USB and aux input. The Business HU may only have the aux 3.5mm jack. Good luck.
Thanks for confirming Toed. I haven't seen many with the screen/head unit unfortunately but going to try and dig about to get one with it.

Thanks!

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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by Toed64 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:41 pm

TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:35 pm
Toed64 wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 pm
TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:08 pm

Also if anyone can answer - if all 120D coupes have an Aux or USB? I've seen it on a couple and wasn't sure if they all do. Only reason I ask is I'll have to buy a FM transmitter for the drive home then sort it out at a later date.
If it's got a Professional head unit, it's likely to have the USB and aux input. The Business HU may only have the aux 3.5mm jack. Good luck.
Thanks for confirming Toed. I haven't seen many with the screen/head unit unfortunately but going to try and dig about to get one with it.

Thanks!
The Professional HU does not have to have a screen - the Business and Pro HUs look quite similar. The inputs are under the centre arm rest. Bluetooth is also a separate module and it was an option that could be fitted to either HU, so you'll have to check.
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Re: Thinking of buying 120D Coupe

Post by TMInside » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:51 pm

Toed64 wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:41 pm
TMInside wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:35 pm
Toed64 wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 pm


If it's got a Professional head unit, it's likely to have the USB and aux input. The Business HU may only have the aux 3.5mm jack. Good luck.
Thanks for confirming Toed. I haven't seen many with the screen/head unit unfortunately but going to try and dig about to get one with it.

Thanks!
The Professional HU does not have to have a screen - the Business and Pro HUs look quite similar. The inputs are under the centre arm rest. Bluetooth is also a separate module and it was an option that could be fitted to either HU, so you'll have to check.
Ah interesting. Thanks for confirming I'll be sure to check when I find the car I want!

Is anyone able to answer my remap 120d vs a 123d question above? Would be helpful to know.

Thanks!

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