Clutch delay valve thingy

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Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Nottnowcato » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:57 am

So, a couple weeks into ownership of my 116i I'm still juddering and kangarooing when I try to pull away quickly. I'd put it down to just being a hopeless driver struggling to get the hang of a more powerful car (I was driving a 1.3 Corsa beforehand) and a higher bite on the clutch. Browsing the forums here, however, has made me wonder if the clutch delay might have as much to do with it as my cack-handedness.
Soooooo, while it looks like a relatively simple task to remove/delete it, I don't have a driveway or garage, or axle stands, and my mechanical knowledge and ability is probably equivalent to that of a toddler trying to figure out which hole the square peg is supposed to go in. I'm wondering if it actually makes that much of a difference that it would be worthwhile paying a garage to do it for me? Is it that noticeable an improvement? I'm not at all averse to throwing a little money at the car to improve my driving experience, but I don't want to be throwing good money after bad.

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Twenny » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:52 am

Nottnowcato wrote:So, a couple weeks into ownership of my 116i I'm still juddering and kangarooing when I try to pull away quickly. I'd put it down to just being a hopeless driver struggling to get the hang of a more powerful car (I was driving a 1.3 Corsa beforehand) and a higher bite on the clutch. Browsing the forums here, however, has made me wonder if the clutch delay might have as much to do with it as my cack-handedness.
Soooooo, while it looks like a relatively simple task to remove/delete it, I don't have a driveway or garage, or axle stands, and my mechanical knowledge and ability is probably equivalent to that of a toddler trying to figure out which hole the square peg is supposed to go in. I'm wondering if it actually makes that much of a difference that it would be worthwhile paying a garage to do it for me? Is it that noticeable an improvement? I'm not at all averse to throwing a little money at the car to improve my driving experience, but I don't want to be throwing good money after bad.
It’s certainly a good place to start and it does make a big difference and is cheap as chips to do.

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Nottnowcato » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:16 am

That's really kind! I'm in Birmingham though, so I'm going to have to decline. Thanks for the offer though, BMW people seem dead nice so far!

(Mind you, my in-laws live down that way, if I haven't got round to it by the time I drive down next I might just take you up on that after all)

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Post by Trojantrow » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am

Didn't cost me anything. Just took it out and connected it back in..if your in warranty then yes, punch the insides out or buy a modified one. But I never bothered.

And it's easier then people make out. You can clearly see if you have enough spare flex to connect it before you start.

I even lost a fair bit of fluid cos I'm sh*t..about 2 tablespoon full. But didn't have to bleed the system...just checked clutch and brakes were ok and that was that..didnt sit there pumping it for ages. It just work.still not topped up the fluid.

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Post by Trojantrow » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:40 am

I agree
The forum is amazing. Not all bmw drivers are idiots...some are though...and since I've owned a bmw people.have treat me the same on the road as if I drive anything else.no issues.

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Post by mikeyscott » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:41 am

I still haven’t done mine. I wouldn’t mind driving a car that’s had it done.

Does it make THAT much of a diff
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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by B NEGATIVE » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:50 am

Clutch feel is much improved,the pedal and the plate feel connected. Very much a standard thing to do.
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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Nottnowcato » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:52 am

Trojantrow wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am
Didn't cost me anything. Just took it out and connected it back in..if your in warranty then yes, punch the insides out or buy a modified one. But I never bothered.

And it's easier then people make out. You can clearly see if you have enough spare flex to connect it before you start.

I even lost a fair bit of fluid cos I'm sh*t..about 2 tablespoon full. But didn't have to bleed the system...just checked clutch and brakes were ok and that was that..didnt sit there pumping it for ages. It just work.still not topped up the fluid.

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Definitely not in Warranty!
I'd have a bash at it myself tbh, despite being clueless. It does look simple. But without a place to work or the necessary gear I'm not going to risk it. I understand you need to get underneath it? I'm not comfortable sticking my head under a 2l engine balancing on a wobbly scissor jack at the side of the road :D

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Trojantrow » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:14 pm

I had my cluch and flywheel replaced that stopped the judder / clutch slipp when setting off. My car used to do this in 1st and reverse when cold or particularly a cold wet day. Pissed me off.

New clutch fixed this and clutch was lighter as it's the new upgraded one. Just generally better. Only been In 2000 miles

Just did the valve other day and I noticed that it's a lot easier to get a smooth non kangaroo change...the bite happenes more predictable you can judge setting off and changing from first to second easier...

If you drove with the air con on, the revs drop quicker and it was a real pain to drive. Now it's like it used to be with air con off.infact. better all round..it just feels normal.

It doesn't fix a bad driver mind.i can still kangaroo if I want to...bit it makes un-noticable gear changes possible.where they were impossible before.

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Nottnowcato » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:43 pm

B NEGATIVE wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:50 am
Clutch feel is much improved,the pedal and the plate feel connected. Very much a standard thing to do.
Yeah, I can't feel a bite in the clutch at all, I'm mostly using guesswork to pull off!
It seems fairly unanimous that it's a wise move then. I feel better spending my hard earned currency on something I'll definitely benefit from!

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Trojantrow » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:47 pm

Local garage shouldn't charge much more than 30 quid to do it... it's 2 clips for God's sake..but i agree.its hard to do without a decent jack and enough room to move about under the car..

I bet it could be done with some ramps up front and bricks for the rear wheels

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Demelitia » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:16 pm

It’s maybe worth deciding if you’re going tonight DIY anything else with your car going forwards. Even though I have access to a full lift pretty much whenever I can get a day off work I ended up buying myself a decent 2 tonne low profile floor jack, jack adapters (~£3 each, eBay) and some axle stands. Makes life a lot easier when you’re tinkering on the drive.
If you do jack the car up with the scissor jack, get your wheel placed under the car as a last ditch emergency stop to keep your toes attached to your feet or whatever.
For what it’s worth, I did the cdv on a lift, easy peasy up there, crawling around on the floor I could imagine it being an order of magnitude more difficult, especially if you’re not confident.

As far as the original question goes, DO IT! I was amazed at the difference it made to mine. Get the diff and gearbox oil changed whilst it’s up on a ramp if you’re taking it to a garage. If they aren’t a bmw specialist I’d maybe take a list in with torque specs and fluid capacities to hand over.
There will be a post telling you what spec fluids to get on here somewhere. Opie Oils are a forum sponsor that have a money off code for members; it’s where I got mine from.
Possibly change the bushing at the bottom of the gearstick too if there’s any play in the lever. It’ll all add up to a smoother, better feeling shift.
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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Nottnowcato » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:11 pm

Demelitia wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:16 pm
It’s maybe worth deciding if you’re going tonight DIY anything else with your car going forwards. Even though I have access to a full lift pretty much whenever I can get a day off work I ended up buying myself a decent 2 tonne low profile floor jack, jack adapters (~£3 each, eBay) and some axle stands. Makes life a lot easier when you’re tinkering on the drive.
If you do jack the car up with the scissor jack, get your wheel placed under the car as a last ditch emergency stop to keep your toes attached to your feet or whatever.
For what it’s worth, I did the cdv on a lift, easy peasy up there, crawling around on the floor I could imagine it being an order of magnitude more difficult, especially if you’re not confident.

As far as the original question goes, DO IT! I was amazed at the difference it made to mine. Get the diff and gearbox oil changed whilst it’s up on a ramp if you’re taking it to a garage. If they aren’t a bmw specialist I’d maybe take a list in with torque specs and fluid capacities to hand over.
There will be a post telling you what spec fluids to get on here somewhere. Opie Oils are a forum sponsor that have a money off code for members; it’s where I got mine from.
Possibly change the bushing at the bottom of the gearstick too if there’s any play in the lever. It’ll all add up to a smoother, better feeling shift.
I'm afraid 90% of that has gone straight over my head! Like I said, mechanical knowledge of a toddler.
Very much appreciating the input on the CDV though, it looks like it's definitely going on the to-do list

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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by mikeyscott » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:52 am

When I get mine done i’m looking at E46 M3 gearbox mounts too
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Re: Clutch delay valve thingy

Post by Demelitia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:21 pm

Nottnowcato wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:11 pm

I'm afraid 90% of that has gone straight over my head! Like I said, mechanical knowledge of a toddler.
Very much appreciating the input on the CDV though, it looks like it's definitely going on the to-do list

Ha, sorry, i can see how it might. Find a good indie specialist garage nearby and ask them for a quote to change the gearbox and diff oil and do the cdv at the same time maybe? Check back with people on here to see if the quote is reasonable before committing so you don't get taken for a ride.
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