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New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Per1 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:28 pm

Hi All, be nice... I am new on here :D
Ok, as per the post title, I am looking to buy a second car - something fun and with some poke to drive for me and my wife - needs to be 5 doors. I am looking at a 120d M Sport, but my budget is rather limited - around £4k - £5k + or - a bit. At that budget I am seeing 04 to 07 models with 100-130k miles on the clock. I am always cautious with that kind of mileage, so what are the absolute musts to look for?
I drove a 64k mile 2005 120i SE recently at a sensible price, but it was smoking somewhat so I walked away and started to look at the 120d models - far better economy and good performance to boot.

Any advice anyone can share when looking at high mileage BMW diesels would be hugely appreciated - I don't want to fork out around £4-£5k and then find some nasty bill on the horizon!
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by marco_polo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:38 pm

I'd be looking at an early 2004 - 2006 car if you want reliability, as they came with the stronger M47 engine. The later N47's are notorious for their dodgy timing chains.

There are still things to look out for, block breather design, DSC hydro unit failure, corroded reluctor rings, drowned PDC modules, etc.

Whilst pretty reliable, old bimmers aren't the best things to run on a shoe-string. It's worth £5k now, but you'll still be buying parts for a £26k car. :|
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Per1 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:54 pm

Cheers for the quick reply. Looks like there's quite a high risk combining low budget and high milers! Might have to rethink my car choice - budget is not flexible unfortunately.
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by poiuytre111 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:03 pm

I have one of the "dodgy timing chain" late 2007 120d but also a 320d 2004 compact (m47tu) that has been remapped so 175+hp. The nice thing about the 120d is that BMW have just replaced a timing chain and chain guides and it is also slightly more economical. The M47 engined 320d has noticeably more torque and feels faster though not necessarily more ultmate hp. With BMW replacing the early 177hp chains I think they can be good value.

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by poiuytre111 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:11 pm

Also - don't worry about milage per se - my 120d has 130k and is nicely run in, my 320d as 145k and is in great condition. Miles on motorways don't count to the total....

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Per1 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:46 pm

Thanks - useful to know. One I want to look at has 125000 motorway miles and is a 2006 model, another has 130000 miles on her and is a 56 plate. Both look decent on the pictures - the 56 plate has some visible scuffs on the rear bumper and is missing what looks like part of the headlight washer kit on the drivers side of the bumper (there's a hole there rather than a square plate as it were). Both are Red!

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Ry_B » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:18 pm

Get the N47 (later engined model) as Bmw have done a quality enhancement (aka recall) on the timing chains

N47 = smoother, better on fuel, cheaper tax and more performance, now the chains are fixed there's no reason not to buy one. Very good engines for 4 cylinder diesels.
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by BMWBoss » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:45 pm

I would also recommend the N47 as long as the timing chain and tensioners have been tested/replaced. My 2008 120d on 72k miles has had both chains and tensioners replaced and it's been remapped . Strong performance in the real world with low running costs and good reliability thus far.

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Bing101 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:58 pm

Hi I'm new to this forum as well. Joined because I just bought a 120d se with 105k f.s.h. I looked at a few but with more miles if I was you I'd hang on the right 1 will come along by the way mines a 55 plate and pald £3800 and I had to travel for it. Thanks

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Per1 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:54 pm

Cheers for the replies. Would a 56 late ( an early 2007 model) have the N47 engine? Is there something I can see on paperwork, VIN etc that will tell me it has an N47 engine?

Edit - would I be right is saying that the N47 came out with 177bhp and 129g/km£110 RFL, where as the M47 had 163bhp and 152g/kmand£180 RFL??

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by davegt » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:28 am

I have a 2012 318d as a works car, it has the N47 engine, it arrived with 3 miles on the clock and it'll have 100k by the end of the week, it's averaged 50.3mpg over that time period and has only ever had tyres, brakes and the standard service routine. It's never missed a beat, i expect I'll do another 20k before It's replaced with the facelift model but I'd quite happily keep it for another 100k and I have no doubt that it would cruise all the way there without fault!
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by poiuytre111 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:30 am

I think they changed at March 2007 - have a look online at some under-bonnet pictures, the plastic engine cover is quite different also the location of oil filler. As previously posted I have both engines and there isn't a huge difference so I would look for the best car for your money either way.

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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by stevesurrey » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Per1 wrote:Edit - would I be right is saying that the N47 came out with 177bhp and 129g/km£110 RFL, where as the M47 had 163bhp and 152g/kmand£180 RFL??
That sounds about right. N47 slightly nippier too (on paper at least).
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Per1 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:31 pm

Thanks for all your replies. I will be looking at 2 120d M Sport cars, both in Red. One is a 2007 on a 56 plate with 130kon the clock and a full main dealer service and full VOSA history, the other is a 2006 model, but reg isn't shown on autotrader. This one has 125k miles but only a part history - I spoke with the dealer and he said last 'official' (stamped) service was at around 62k miles but there are receipts for works done since then. Asked about any timing chain works or recalls but he wasn't overly helpful. Prefer the interior of this one to the other one - seats look in better condition (not leather like the other one - only part leather, but dark/charcoal colour. the 2007 56 plate one has cream leather), also other one has the BMW Professional head unit - no idea what the 56 plate one has.
Will see on Friday which (if either) is the better - both dealers are about 20 miles apart so will see both on same day.
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Re: New to Forum - looking to buy a 120d M Sport

Post by Jord_559 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:33 pm

Per1 wrote:Thanks for all your replies. I will be looking at 2 120d M Sport cars, both in Red. One is a 2007 on a 56 plate with 130kon the clock and a full main dealer service and full VOSA history, the other is a 2006 model, but reg isn't shown on autotrader. This one has 125k miles but only a part history - I spoke with the dealer and he said last 'official' (stamped) service was at around 62k miles but there are receipts for works done since then. Asked about any timing chain works but he wasn't overly helpful.
Will see on Friday which (if either) is the better - both dealers are about 20 miles apart so will see both on same day.
Cheers
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If you can get the Vin from either car mate you can ring any BMW garage and quote the VIN and they should be able to tell you whether the car needs, doesn't need/ has, hasn't had the timing chain enhancement, if that's any help!

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