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talal
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Re: Bye bye BMW

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no idea about whether EV's are sustainable it played a small part in my decision making process, for me if there are green credentials then its a bonus rather than the reason for buying an ev

on the self combustion, didn't think it was a big thing but no idea if they have fixed it, i hope they have...

either way not a big deal if it sets on fire, they have invested their time in the seats making fart noises.
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So the car arrived last week, only driven it 300 miles so far... initial impressions are very very positive...

first thing you notice is that its just simply better thought out than traditional car interiors, at first and on the testdrive i thought having stuff just on a big touch screen would be a distraction, but after a while it becomes intuitive and then very quickly you start to think, why arent all cars like this..

Some stuff i like a lot...

having a spotify app that i can search and browse and simply listen to playlists and jump to songs easily is great
being able to control the temp in the car from my phone and switches on the heated seats i think will be amazing as winter approaches
the seats are very comfortable and the user profile memory actually works first time every time unlike my 440i which sometimes just doesn't respond

bits i dont like

the plastics are cheap and the doors feel too light, so the closing doesn't have that nice chunk BMW's do

in terms of driving dynamics, its ridiculous, its so fast, im not much of a boy racer, but i cant help but just randomly floor it for that roller coaster like feeling it gives... you have to experience it to see what i mean it is insanely fast... the stats say 3.2s to 60 i think it would hit that consistently...
It handles brilliantly, takes corners very very tightly and you can feel the power shifting to the different wheels. I think the tight handling is due to the low center of gravity or it could be the Pilot super sports im not sure, iv spent the last 3 years on bridgestone run flats so my radr for good rubber is off...

but all in all very happy with the move so far!
BMW 440i - carbon black - great machine!
Audi S5 Sportback - Chav white - All the toys and massive red bucket seats - gone
Audi S4 Avant - Midnight blue - Lots of Toys (died)
BMW 130i LE No Mods Great as standard! - Now sadly gone...

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Thanks for posting a follow up, sounds really great, I'm definitely going for an EV as my next car, and the Model 3 is a real possibility.

While the 0-60 is great, whats the power like once up to speed, say for overtaking on the motorway?

The benefit of EV is the torque is 100% from the off, but it reduces as the speed increases, which is sort of opposite to an ICE which increases to the power band. I expect the benefit is minor at higher speeds, but even so, I doubt I would miss that and it sounds like it wouldn't be an issue.

Real life range will be interesting in the colder weather too, using the heating etc.
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you are right the 0-60 is the party piece, but iv driven it on the motorway too and it will jump from 70-90 quicker than 90% of cars so over taking is an ease... the torque is definitely lower at 70mph than it is at 20mph but will still shove you into the seat so im confident its quicker than most ICE cars for motorway over-taking..

that said from those numbers upwards it starts to be noticeable that the power is tailing off - i havn't gone very very quickly in it, but it still climbs but not with the same ferocity... the top speed is limited to 165 on mine, but i cant see how it would reach that type of speed or how much of a runway it would need to get there...

real world range is hard to judge as its new and im not driving in the way that i would once the gloss has worn off - but so far i think im getting around 200 miles for a full charge - which is 100 less than the claimed range, but again i put that down to having a heavy foot for now, im sure i wont be accelerating at 100% at every opportunity soon enough, the novelty will wear off...

i got the charger fitted yesterday, i got a Rolec one instead of the tesla unit as its cheaper (it has a grant, the tesla one doesn't) so now able to charge at home which is great, i now just need to figure out how i can get a tarrif that is cheaper at night...
BMW 440i - carbon black - great machine!
Audi S5 Sportback - Chav white - All the toys and massive red bucket seats - gone
Audi S4 Avant - Midnight blue - Lots of Toys (died)
BMW 130i LE No Mods Great as standard! - Now sadly gone...

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Congrats on the the Model 3.

In 2016 i drove a Model S P60 for a week. I loved it, especially the ease of using maps or browsing Spotify.

Range and price of EVs remain a barrier to purchase for me. However this will change in 2025 when solid state batteries replace lithium ion batteries. Battery density will significantly increase and we'll see range double or triple.

Today you have to pre condition an EV in order to achieve maximum range. This is critical during winter when range can be 30-40% lower than the official figure.

However this might not be a concern if you only travel short distances and can't charge at the destination.
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talal wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:38 pm
i now just need to figure out how i can get a tarrif that is cheaper at night...
EDF have just started a tariff aimed at EV owners - half price electric from 9pm to 7am and all weekends (for the entire house as well).

Not affiliated, I saw it on Fully Charged (YouTube show for EVs) and thought it sounded a good tariff if I went that direction.
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Barney McGrew wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:12 am
talal wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:38 pm
i now just need to figure out how i can get a tarrif that is cheaper at night...
EDF have just started a tariff aimed at EV owners - half price electric from 9pm to 7am and all weekends (for the entire house as well).

Not affiliated, I saw it on Fully Charged (YouTube show for EVs) and thought it sounded a good tariff if I went that direction.
helpful tip! we are still searching for a change in tarrif oddly finding harder than it should be!
BMW 440i - carbon black - great machine!
Audi S5 Sportback - Chav white - All the toys and massive red bucket seats - gone
Audi S4 Avant - Midnight blue - Lots of Toys (died)
BMW 130i LE No Mods Great as standard! - Now sadly gone...

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Talal, this is the first thread I've followed with real interest on BB for a while.

I am in a similar position. I can own two cars, for around £40k. I own a jap estate and a 140. I've always owned one fun car and one boring load lugging diesel.

I flit almost weekly. One week it's a Renault Zoe and a C63s estate, the next it's an A6 bitdi black ed. and probably a Zoe. Then a jap diesel estate and a Cayman R. Then I think I keep the jap estate, buy a Zoe and a Caterham again. Then I saw you considered a Macan and it got me looking. Why did you discount a C63? The only thing putting me off is it isn't big enough and an E63 doesn't tickle my fancy.

The one constant is that a Model 3 is something I can't make the figures stack up on. Are you able to say what sort of deal you managed to get and what your real world monthly electric costs are? Thanks!

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oxfordbmw wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:52 pm
Talal, this is the first thread I've followed with real interest on BB for a while.

I am in a similar position. I can own two cars, for around £40k. I own a jap estate and a 140. I've always owned one fun car and one boring load lugging diesel.

I flit almost weekly. One week it's a Renault Zoe and a C63s estate, the next it's an A6 bitdi black ed. and probably a Zoe. Then a jap diesel estate and a Cayman R. Then I think I keep the jap estate, buy a Zoe and a Caterham again. Then I saw you considered a Macan and it got me looking. Why did you discount a C63? The only thing putting me off is it isn't big enough and an E63 doesn't tickle my fancy.

The one constant is that a Model 3 is something I can't make the figures stack up on. Are you able to say what sort of deal you managed to get and what your real world monthly electric costs are? Thanks!
I ummed and ahhed about what to get and settled on the Model 3 just to dip my toe in, so i leased it...

Im paying just under £550 a month and put £5k upfront. Its comparable to a C63 if not a bit cheaper... that played into the decision process, as i wanted something quick and also something practical. As it stands in the real world the model 3 is probably he quickest car i could own in my price bracket

I got an over the air update last week and it says that the power in the car has increased by 5%... i didn't think anything of it but i can definitely feel some extra oomph so had a little look on you tube and there is a drag times channel and the guy had a consistent 3.1s 0-60 pre update and now is getting consistently 2.9s... which is mental quick....

again it tails off over 100 but im not driving that quickly anyway, but to make an over take on a road there is nothing quite like it.

In terms of charging, the miles i get has dropped since i picked up due to the weather, i get around 200 miles now on a full charge vs about 240ish when i picked it up so i need to charge once a week. Iv got no way of measuring the exact cost of each full charge but i think its about £14 (pence/KWH and total KWH needed for full charge plus a bit for losses) so vs the C63/M3 option im probably saving £50-60/week in fuel costs...

hope that helps
BMW 440i - carbon black - great machine!
Audi S5 Sportback - Chav white - All the toys and massive red bucket seats - gone
Audi S4 Avant - Midnight blue - Lots of Toys (died)
BMW 130i LE No Mods Great as standard! - Now sadly gone...

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talal wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:45 pm

In terms of charging, the miles i get has dropped since i picked up due to the weather, i get around 200 miles now on a full charge vs about 240ish when i picked it up so i need to charge once a week. Iv got no way of measuring the exact cost of each full charge but i think its about £14 (pence/KWH and total KWH needed for full charge plus a bit for losses) so vs the C63/M3 option im probably saving £50-60/week in fuel costs...

hope that helps
You estimates for "filling" up are a good estimate. However its worth bearing in mind that a filled up ICE car has a range of 400-500miles. A BEV is still cheaper to fill up per mile but most importantly a Model 3 is significantly cheaper to run in start and stop traffic and for short journeys than an M4/C63 AMG. If you can charge for free at work or have solar panels at home then that makes the car even cheaper to run.

In 2021 BMW will release an i4 with close to 500hp. It will be very popular and I foresee both M4 and M5 owners jumping at the offer for a car that's faster in everyday conditions but is cheaper to run.
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I’m not sure my m140 has a range anywhere close to 400 miles, even when on a long run and driving like a saint

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Tiberius wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:27 am

You estimates for "filling" up are a good estimate. However its worth bearing in mind that a filled up ICE car has a range of 400-500miles.
And can be fully "recharged" in about three minutes ...

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What’s the entry level Porsche start at price wise now ?

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