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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by pem10 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:48 am

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Hi Ian
You mention above about the m3 arms pushing the wheel out. How much are we looking at? Keep meaning to get some spacers but now don't want to get some that may be too much if I go the lca route. Front wheels 18 - 7.5 - et49. Thanks and keep up the good work!
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The M3 LCA are approx 10mm longer than stock so roughly centre of wheel is 10mm further out, top of wheel not quite so much as wheel is tipped at an angle as well, i found on my last 130i with M3 LCA and stock wheels, 225/40-18 tyres along with 12mm front spacers tyre just scrubbed a touch inside arch at certain lock and bumps etc, no spacer no problem but i needed to trim a touch of bumper/headlight bracket and also made sure arch lip on wing was pushed back flush and was then ok, all depends on tyres though as not all are same on outer shoulders despite being sized same if that makes sense.

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Perfect sense thanks for that info. Was maybe going to get some 12mm spacers so will rethink that. Probably 5mm now just waiting for some spare funds to magically appear! Forgot about the tyres its on asym 3s 225 - 40.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:09 pm

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Perfect sense thanks for that info. Was maybe going to get some 12mm spacers so will rethink that. Probably 5mm now just waiting for some spare funds to magically appear! Forgot about the tyres its on asym 3s 225 - 40.
Thats what i ended up doing on the next car to prevent rubbing issues, problem is 5mm spacer on front might not leave enough of the hub spigot sticking through it to locate the wheel on centrally, on my 135i it didnt on front but was ok on rear as hub sticks out a little more at back, i think i used a 3mm on front in the end and might have some spare ones if you go down that route so let me know.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by Toed64 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:28 pm

THETYRANT wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:09 pm
pem10 wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:48 am

Perfect sense thanks for that info. Was maybe going to get some 12mm spacers so will rethink that. Probably 5mm now just waiting for some spare funds to magically appear! Forgot about the tyres its on asym 3s 225 - 40.
Thats what i ended up doing on the next car to prevent rubbing issues, problem is 5mm spacer on front might not leave enough of the hub spigot sticking through it to locate the wheel on centrally, on my 135i it didnt on front but was ok on rear as hub sticks out a little more at back, i think i used a 3mm on front in the end and might have some spare ones if you go down that route so let me know.
I had standard MSport springs and dampers on my 135i, but fitted M3 LCAs. With Vredestein Ultrac Vortis in 225/40/18, the front arches were nicely filled and there would not have been much space for spacers. These Vredesteins are very square-shouldered in comparison to the Contis I had before, or the Avon ZZ5s I fited after them.

My 130i had M3 LCAs for a few weeks before I got some Koni Sports and a pair of Ian's stage 1 plates fitted. The front tyres are MPSS 215/45/18 and look a bit stretched on the rims. The LCAs brought the tyres out a bit to fill the arch better, the plates have tipped the top in a little, so the tyres are now well inside the arch. I really don't mind about this, but I did think that I'll buy Vredesteins for the front in 225/40/18 next time. This will fill the arches a lot more, but will also give me a tad more grip up front.

So, my tip is to get the tyres you want and the suspension mods completed before you decide on the size of spacers you want to fit - the tyre tread width varies A LOT between brands.

Ian - thank you for all your freely shared suspension quest advice and for the camber plates. I was really not sure that I was going to get on with my 130i after the 135i, but now that I have Konis, bump stops, M3 LCAs, your stage 1 plates and rear subframe bush inserts, the car is an absolute joy to drive and I am rewarded every time I go out. I have concluded that my 130i is now every bit as good a car as my 135i was, the suspension is better, it's just not as phenominally fast!

One other benefit is that the LCAs lowered the front of the car to the point where the front skirt just touched 2 of the sleeping policemen on my commute. Your camber plates have lifted the front just sufficiently for the skirt to clear those fecking things...result!
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:50 pm

Glad to be of service :) cant wait to get out in my car again once i get it all back together.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by vhenax » Wed May 30, 2018 9:08 am

Alright got the stage2 , with stock m suspensions on a e87 no m3lca , -1.3 on both sides , was expecting more after what i read here oh well better than before for sure

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Wed May 30, 2018 9:13 am

That does seem low, i have same setup and have -1.7deg on mine, will send you pm :)
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by jonwilli » Wed May 30, 2018 1:17 pm

I'm sure its on the thread somewhere but do you need an alignment done if you just fit the standard camber plates with stock arms i.e. just drop the dampers down, fit plates and bolt back up?
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Wed May 30, 2018 1:23 pm

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I'm sure its on the thread somewhere but do you need an alignment done if you just fit the standard camber plates with stock arms i.e. just drop the dampers down, fit plates and bolt back up?
With Stage1 plates it hardly affects the Toe setting so depending what its at now you might be ok, best to get it checked to be sure though.

To fit yes drop damper down and bolt plates on after tapping out studs and removing camber pin, you do need to disconnect ARB/drop link to allow it to drop down far enough to get good access.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by vhenax » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:56 am

Alright i went to another shop with lase equipment .
Left camber -1.39
Right camber -1.23
Toe left 0.08
Toe right 0.09

I guess my car is different :( , perhaps i ll add the m3 lca .

Also @thetyrant , you think with a different suspension would i get better results ?

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:02 am

vhenax wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:56 am
Alright i went to another shop with lase equipment .
Left camber -1.39
Right camber -1.23
Toe left 0.08
Toe right 0.09

I guess my car is different :( , perhaps i ll add the m3 lca .

Also @thetyrant , you think with a different suspension would i get better results ?
Hmm that is odd, what about ride height as per my pm ? if you measure from centre of wheel to edge of arch on wing we can see if your sitting a little higher maybe which would make a reduction in camber.

Your camber now will make car handle nice enough and help prevent outer edge of tyre scrubbing, if you still have issues then M3 LCA will give you another -0.7 ish so then -2 as a guess.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by marco_polo » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:16 am

Was it 1.3 (decimal) degrees, or 1 degree 30' (minutes)?

Reads like it's in minutes to me, so 1.30' would be quite a lot.

Can you post up your Hunter print out for us?
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by THETYRANT » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:54 am

marco_polo wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:16 am
Was it 1.3 (decimal) degrees, or 1 degree 30' (minutes)?

Reads like it's in minutes to me, so 1.30' would be quite a lot.

Can you post up your Hunter print out for us?

30 minutes is 0.5 degrees so not a lot different in this case, if it had been 50minutes or something then it would of been though so fair point.

Would be good to see full printout of all numbers ? :D
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by krisabf » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:54 pm

Just for reference I've got bang on 2 degrees negative camber on mine with the stage 1 plates, M3 LCAs, and the B12 kit.
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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by vhenax » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:34 am

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Re: E8x Camber plate project

Post by vhenax » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:35 am

ok so i didn t post anything cause i was still investigating , I WENT to yet another tyre shop ( where i knew a trusted guy ) so now i m happy :D
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