118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:16 am

Prior to repair the noise sound like a small exhaust, or maybe a loose bracket. Which was why I recon they thought it was the DPF.
However once this was fixed the noise was what we used to call "pinking" if you dont know what that is its not noisy just strange like an engine idling but missing.
Now I have monster truck noise! Im going to video the car later just to record it. As I can see this becoming protracted! If I can work out how to upload it you can listen in.
Have to wait in for parcel after that its a visit to the garage! Then legal advise I guess :cry:

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:17 am

Cheers All for your help.
I Just spoke to Consumer Direct who were very helpful. They said as I have contributed i.e paid I have statutory rights regarding a decent repair and standard of work and the damage they have caused is an out of pocket expense.
Interestingly as the original repair was because of an odd noise they recon I shouldn't have paid when they realised it was the timing chain, because I believed this was the repair I was paying for.
I will speak to the garage first then if no joy a recorded letter, then legal action.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by bigalj » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:17 am

Agree that you need some legal advice now. It may be that the 'threat' of seeking legal advice may be enough to get things sorted; lets them know you won't just be fobbed off with sh*t excuses.

I don't know who you've dealt with at the dealership, but speaking to a service monkey usually does no good. I always find a firm but polite letter/email to the Dealer Principal, with the Service Manager and BMW customer services CC'd in can do wonders.

Essentially you've now spent close to a grand and the problem is worse? No fishing way would I accept that mate.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:08 am

Took the car in. Oddly enough there was little argument, initially the guy said, 'these engines are loud' but when he could see the engine shaking he said it shouldn't do that.
I have been given a loan car while they take the top half of my engine off to figure out what is wrong.
Also they are going to fix the damage to the bumper.
I'm now looking at alternative cars as I don't trust this one. What a mare!

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by cheires » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:14 pm

I'm from Portugal, and in here there are a lot of cars with the same problem.
Aparently BMW knows the issue, and it affects N47 engines (18d,20d and 23d).
The costs off repair are big, and in smoe cases BMW dosen't help.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by jambox » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:05 pm

If its a known problem, then they should help out, not that they will/have though
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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:23 pm

An update.....

The garage took back my car, they fixed the damage to the bumper and admitted the engine was loud. They believed they hadn't connected the fuel injector back up. When I collected it it initially sounded normal (slightly loud).

I've had the car back for a couple of weeks and its got noisy again. Hence back to BMW this morning. The service manager recons it the Tappetts and so they are going to change them.
He said sometimes they do this when they change the timing chain however they didn't on mine but will do so now.

Did look at changing the car but it was way too expensive so Im going to have to get this sorted.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by lukemedway_uk » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:32 pm

Man that is really bad! I hope it turns out ok for you though mate, keep us informed!
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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:26 pm

Another update. My car is still in the garage, they want to replace 2 of the gears and have been waiting on the parts.

Apparently this was done during the timing chain change but they now recon the noise is coming from these gears and possibly the tappetts. :censored:

I will hopefully get back a quieter car this week! I would just like to spend a week or two without going to the garage!

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by trident 3 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:13 pm

What a nightmare for you, and these people call themselves BMW specialists :shock: . Keep stripping the motor and substituting different parts sounds more like 'trial and error', than efficient diagnosis and repair. Hope these muppets get it sorted for you.
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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:43 pm

Ok, so the garage contacted me today. The engine is back in the car and they are performing startup and running tests on the car.
The problem was apparently a "cog" this has been replaced and the car is now quieter. Well fingers crossed my nightmare will end tomorrow. If all is good I can collect my car tomorrow......................have to say I doubtful.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:46 pm

Ok. I have the car back. It appears to be fine. The garage are refunding the £408 towards timing belt. They did offer to extend the BMW warranty instead but I'm not sure I want to use dealers anymore :roll: .
I will seek BMW to reimburse/assist with this after 2 months chaos. In short the car was/is not what I believed I was buying into.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by Louiza » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:09 pm

I went to see a BMW 118 2 L this evening it’s 57 plate and 92k miles to potentially buy.
Would this have a timing chain as we could see no evidence for a cam belt being changed at around 60k miles. It was lovely to drive and I really liked it. It did have FSH but no receipts stated a cambelt. But seeing so many bad stories about the chains I’m wondering if I should stay away from it?
Any advice greatfully received.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by flo5777 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:09 am

I think BMW may have done a recall on the timeline chains. Someone on these forums should know?

All I can say is I eventually got rid of that car for a discovery, I now have a defender & used to run round in a 12 year old Renault van & Ive never had any problems like it since.

It was the most stressful experience ever & at a time when I was single with very little money. I bought the car as I needed reliability & to know my ongoing costs. I didnt get that & got many sleepless nights.

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Re: 118d Timing Chain - Advice needed

Post by stevesurrey » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:35 am

There was a 'Quality Enhancement' (not a full blown recall) for the 2007/8 N47 2litre diesels back in 2014/15, which has now ended. Work undertaken could vary from simply replacing the chain tensioner to full replacement of chains and associated parts. These engines do not have belts and, supposedly, the chains are meant to last a lifetime so dont need routine replacement. Be careful if buying one of these cars and especially check to see if it had any work done under the Quality Enhancement. A good service history with regular oil changes is essential too. Lengthy thread here on the topic viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62400
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