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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Jiggaman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm

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Fez i think your mixing things up a little. Sealants should be used on bare paint unless the product your using is designed to go under a sealant otherwise it wont bond properly. You would not apply a glaze over a sealant, there is no point.

Britemax have a couple of good products - virtue - it fills, cuts and protects. This can be topped up with their EE 2.0 (Sealant) which gives much longer lasting protection. They are designed to work with each other. If you pick any glaze and put a sealant on top of it, it will not bond properly and wont last very long. Waxes on the other hand work better with an oily base that a glaze can provide and will last much longer over a glaze than a sealant would.

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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by fez_7 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:24 pm

Sam1er wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:12 am
Fez i think your mixing things up a little. Sealants should be used on bare paint unless the product your using is designed to go under a sealant otherwise it wont bond properly. You would not apply a glaze over a sealant, there is no point.
Cheers Sam. This confused me but I’ve just read the following link to try and work out the best way to use the sealant I opted for. https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showt ... ast-Finish

Now I want to check if I’ve got this right for next time...

So if I’m just doing a basic wash I would just apply the sealant straight after the wash and that’s all.

If I’m wanting to detail then I would:
Polish if necessary
Glaze
Wax
Seal???

Meg’s say it can be used on top of a wax for extra protection or should I simply not bother using the sealant when detailing?

The reason I did it the way I did the first time was because they say it can also be used instead of wax, giving the following example:
“Show Car Detail: Wash, Clay if needed, Ultimate Compound if needed, Ultimate Polish, Ultimate Fast Finish”
So I basically used Poorboys Black Hole instead of their Ultimate Polish and then used the sealant as my LSP instead of a wax but now I guess they just meant to use it with their own products instead of other brands?
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Sam1er » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:19 pm

fez_7 wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:24 pm

Cheers Sam. This confused me but I’ve just read the following link to try and work out the best way to use the sealant I opted for. https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showt ... ast-Finish

Now I want to check if I’ve got this right for next time...

So if I’m just doing a basic wash I would just apply the sealant straight after the wash and that’s all.

If I’m wanting to detail then I would:
Polish if necessary
Glaze
Wax
Seal???

Meg’s say it can be used on top of a wax for extra protection or should I simply not bother using the sealant when detailing?

The reason I did it the way I did the first time was because they say it can also be used instead of wax, giving the following example:
“Show Car Detail: Wash, Clay if needed, Ultimate Compound if needed, Ultimate Polish, Ultimate Fast Finish”
So I basically used Poorboys Black Hole instead of their Ultimate Polish and then used the sealant as my LSP instead of a wax but now I guess they just meant to use it with their own products instead of other brands?
If your doing a basic wash, yes you can apply a sealant straight after or even something like sonax bsd that adds some protection.

For a detail:
prewash
wash
de-iron/de-tar/clay
Polish
glaze (if required, polish should remove the need for a glaze unless you still have swirls you want to hide)
Wax

If you want to use a sealant then go polish then sealant and if you really want then wax on top of sealant, dont add a sealant on top of wax as it wont bond.

With regards to the meg's stuff, they may have been designed to work with each other, so they would work if the manufacturer has stated it (example of the britemax stuff i mentioned last time). But you couldnt mix products from different manufacturers and expect them to work the same way as they are most likely not designed to work with each other. This is true for sealants and glazes but for waxes and glazes any should work with any and i regularly mix products from different manufacturers.

Hope this helps
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Joe77 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:27 pm

Wax and sealant are similar.

If you polish it theres absolutely no point in a glaze as you will have a perfect finish?

All a glaze does is fills the swirls which you shouldnt have if you have done a good polish.

However if you are on about using a AIO like super resin this acts as a glaze as well

So no need to use a glaze in any instance.

Give her a good polish apply some bilt hamber cleanser fluid then apply a good sealant. And top it off with some detailer or a wax of your choice

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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Sam1er » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:37 pm

It sounds like he is doing it by hand, it would literally take forever to achieve a finish by hand that may not require the use of a glaze, but what he would be doing is removing a very small top layer of clear to help give a smoother finish but i doubt it would be a defect free finish as you are stating. Unless going down the machine polishing route, glazes are a good piece of kit and one i use alot especially when short of time.

Super resin will fill and is good at that but it dusts like mad especially with a bit of sun outside, there are such nicer products to use nowadays its surprising anyone still uses srp. Bilthamber cleanser polish for one. I must have about 10 different glazes at home that i like to try out every now and again. So i would disagree with the no need to use a glaze part. It all depends on what you have available to you and the time you have to do it in.

Oh and wax and sealants are not similar, they both protect the paint but their chemical make up is completely different. the way they can make the paint look can also be very different.
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Joe77 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:45 pm

Ahh if hes doing it by hand scrap that then lol.

Okay id deffo do the full decon like you said.

Id be biased to say use srp as a glaze/aio then top with autoglyms hd wax.

Or the prima amigo topped with bsw

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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Sam1er » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:50 pm

Prima amigo is a lovely glaze :D iv only used it once but its one i kept and didnt sell on. Also really liked Infinity wax dark glaze and light glaze, I was really impressed with those! Just got in Auto Glanz Supernova, cant wait to give that a go :)
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by fez_7 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:34 pm

Sam1er wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:19 pm
If your doing a basic wash, yes you can apply a sealant straight after or even something like sonax bsd that adds some protection.

For a detail:
prewash
wash
de-iron/de-tar/clay
Polish
glaze (if required, polish should remove the need for a glaze unless you still have swirls you want to hide)
Wax

If you want to use a sealant then go polish then sealant and if you really want then wax on top of sealant, dont add a sealant on top of wax as it wont bond.

With regards to the meg's stuff, they may have been designed to work with each other, so they would work if the manufacturer has stated it (example of the britemax stuff i mentioned last time). But you couldnt mix products from different manufacturers and expect them to work the same way as they are most likely not designed to work with each other. This is true for sealants and glazes but for waxes and glazes any should work with any and i regularly mix products from different manufacturers.

Hope this helps
Right, I think I now understand regarding the sealant but I’m now getting confused regarding the polish and glaze!

For a basic wash, after washing I will just go over it with sealant (Ultimate Fast Finish).

For a detail, after washing I will apply:
Ultimate Compound AND/OR Black Hole???
Wax

I won’t bother with sealant when detailing then. But what confuses me now is that are you suggesting I should polish every time? I was under the impression I should only polish when necessary and it would be better to glaze every time instead as its not abrasive whereas polish is? If I’m only to use 1 then I would prefer to use Black Hole if possible due to its finish.

Also to avoid any confusion, I’ve just bought the products and used them only once so I’m not planning on replacing them anytime soon. The products I have are what I’ve got to work with and the only extra purchase I’ll be making is a wax (either Natty’s Blue or Double Speed-Wax). And yes I am applying by hand.
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Jiggaman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:42 pm

If I were you I would forget the sealant.

Detail; wash, (Decon + wash again), polish, glaze, wax.

Maintenance wash; wash, dry, (maybe wax again if it's been a while), detailer spray (I would use Sonax BSD).

I would only bother with a sealant if your paint has been machine polished and is in great condition, in which case I'd be using a better one than the Megs.
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Sam1er » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:45 pm

fez_7 wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:34 pm

Right, I think I now understand regarding the sealant but I’m now getting confused regarding the polish and glaze!

For a basic wash, after washing I will just go over it with sealant (Ultimate Fast Finish).

For a detail, after washing I will apply:
Ultimate Compound AND/OR Black Hole???
Wax

I won’t bother with sealant when detailing then. But what confuses me now is that are you suggesting I should polish every time? I was under the impression I should only polish when necessary and it would be better to glaze every time instead as its not abrasive whereas polish is? If I’m only to use 1 then I would prefer to use Black Hole if possible due to its finish.

Also to avoid any confusion, I’ve just bought the products and used them only once so I’m not planning on replacing them anytime soon. The products I have are what I’ve got to work with and the only extra purchase I’ll be making is a wax (either Natty’s Blue or Double Speed-Wax). And yes I am applying by hand.
For a detail, after washing I will apply:
Ultimate Compound AND/OR Black Hole??? - correct, you can use either or both (Black hole last though). you would use a glaze after the polish (UC in this case) if there are still defects you want to hide.

You do not need to polish everytime, it is upto you if you want to polish or not. Personally i rarely polish my own car, if i do i crack out the machine polisher to do so but that can add 6 hours plus to the routine, iv done the odd occasional hand polish on certain areas that may have a scuff. Usually i would decon then glaze then wax.
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by fez_7 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:59 pm

Sam1er wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:45 pm
fez_7 wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:34 pm

Right, I think I now understand regarding the sealant but I’m now getting confused regarding the polish and glaze!

For a basic wash, after washing I will just go over it with sealant (Ultimate Fast Finish).

For a detail, after washing I will apply:
Ultimate Compound AND/OR Black Hole???
Wax

I won’t bother with sealant when detailing then. But what confuses me now is that are you suggesting I should polish every time? I was under the impression I should only polish when necessary and it would be better to glaze every time instead as its not abrasive whereas polish is? If I’m only to use 1 then I would prefer to use Black Hole if possible due to its finish.

Also to avoid any confusion, I’ve just bought the products and used them only once so I’m not planning on replacing them anytime soon. The products I have are what I’ve got to work with and the only extra purchase I’ll be making is a wax (either Natty’s Blue or Double Speed-Wax). And yes I am applying by hand.
For a detail, after washing I will apply:
Ultimate Compound AND/OR Black Hole??? - correct, you can use either or both (Black hole last though). you would use a glaze after the polish (UC in this case) if there are still defects you want to hide.

You do not need to polish everytime, it is upto you if you want to polish or not. Personally i rarely polish my own car, if i do i crack out the machine polisher to do so but that can add 6 hours plus to the routine, iv done the odd occasional hand polish on certain areas that may have a scuff. Usually i would decon then glaze then wax.
We’re finally on the same page :lol: thanks for clarifying!
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by fez_7 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:03 pm

Jiggaman wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:42 pm
If I were you I would forget the sealant.

Detail; wash, (Decon + wash again), polish, glaze, wax.

Maintenance wash; wash, dry, (maybe wax again if it's been a while), detailer spray (I would use Sonax BSD).
A lot of people seem to be recommending the Sonax BSD, I might have to look into this as well but the £ seem to be adding up :roll:
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Re: Best liquid car wax?

Post by Joe77 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:13 pm

Sonax bsd mixed with something else i cant remember now creates astonishing results

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Post by Joe77 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:14 pm

I think it was no7 by chemical guys or finishkare detailer

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Post by Sam1er » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:21 pm

There may be some for sale soon in the for sale section :) I need to have a good clear out of products i dont use. If your after some detailing supplies it will be a good thread for you. Il try and get some photos this weekend and post it on monday.
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