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hi,

I'm wondering if anyone could offer some advice re hardwood windows / alternatives....

we live in a converted barn and are looking to do some alterations. We would like to replace all the existing hardwood windows and doors so got a quote for them.

It is for 13 windows, 4 sets of french doors and 1 front door/side window set. They quoted flush casement ones in Accoya wood. They do look stunning but....

The price was ~£35k including fitting!!!

Does anyone have experience of sourcing / installing hardwood windows and whether such prices are "normal"? and how much more they are vs premium UPVC ones (like R7/R9) and your bog standard ones?

We were expecting it to be expensive but not quite "i need a strong drink and a sit down" expensive!

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That is a lot!

I can't offer any advice, we live in a modernish house and recently had all of our windows/doors replaced but it was more like £5k ish, although that was a part of a much larger extension so I think we got the windows at cost price. Basic grey uPVC windows and doors.

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Hardwood windows have always been expensive but you'll also be paying a further premium just now due to the cost of timber rocketing. I'd hang off on the plans for a year or two and revisit it if you can.
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ChrisGJ wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:41 pm £35k
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Sounds about right tbh, quoted £40k for sash window replacement years ago.

Might be more cost effective to get the windows ordered yourself and have someone else fit them.
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Has the barn a “Listed” status ?
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Timber windows are the most expensive when replacing existing windows , Residence 9 or 7 will be cheaper , and your bog standard upvc a lot cheaper , are you in a conservation area or can you fit what you like
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4 sets of french doors and 1 front door with sidelights will probably be the bulk of that.
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Admittedly it was 20 years ago so things may have changed a lot, but when i had a large bedroom window replaced (14ft long large) I got a stupid quote from a "conservation specialist" company (around £5k) to replace it with a softwood window, and ended up just going to a joiner rather than a "window company". They knew glaziers and scaffolders to use.

The thing that i found interesting was that their first quote was for a pretty standard softwood window frame with hardwood sill, they quoted £750 including labour for that. I then asked them about doing the whole window in hardwood (mahogony) and they said it would be more expensive but the labour charge would be the same. I was expecting it to be like 3 or 4 times the price but they quoted £1100. In the end including scaffolding and glazing etc I ended up paying a bit under £2.5k.

Point i'm trying to make is that a joiner will be more likely not to massively overcharge because you're buying the more "upmarket luxury hardwood" option that the likes of a window company are likely to. They'll just price it according to their costs and labour, and so you might find a hardwood window suddenly less expensive.
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Thanks for the replies folks....

I actually got the amount wrong.....it's £38k :lol:

to the questions....
- yes, we're in a conservation area
- no, the barn isn't listed but it is a non-designated heritage asset
- we've just gained the full planning approval for our plans and as part of those, they have stipulated that all windows / doors must be hardwood (we have an existing extension where the previous owner ignored their planning approval and put in uPVC plus we're converting garage into living space so will need new windows / doors there).

So we will have to go with hardwood windows....but it's a question of whether we just change the ones we need to, or go all in and get everything done.

So a big chunk of the budget heading in the direction of windows / doors, just how much exactly to go for!

We had a local joiner / window guy quote for a couple of example ones to compare prices and tbh, he was about the same.
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I'd go for them all if you can though. Guessing being a barn you'll soon recoup some of the investment through winter with well sealed windows in term's of heating bills assuming it's an older conversion. My home get's ice inside the windows through winter.
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Just shop around for more quotes. My mate is renovating a large house currently and has gone for wood doors/windows. He had silly quotes like you have, but he kept at it and finally found a bespoke firm that did them a lot less.

Quality is good though having seen them.
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Location of the workman makes a significant difference to price too. At least that's my personal experience living in a relatively afluent area. All the local firms around me are far more expensive than ones in generally cheaper areas, and that's just in London. Of course the guys in those cheaper areas probaly see me as a bit of a mark "he must have money to live there" etc, so i'm sure they bump up their quotes, but they still work out cheaper than any of the local firms in my experience.
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G90 wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:42 pm Sounds about right tbh, quoted £40k for sash window replacement years ago.

Might be more cost effective to get the windows ordered yourself and have someone else fit them.
Potentially very expensive as you become responsible for the measurements.
ChrisGJ wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:01 pm - we've just gained the full planning approval for our plans and as part of those, they have stipulated that all windows / doors must be hardwood (we have an existing extension where the previous owner ignored their planning approval and put in uPVC plus we're converting garage into living space so will need new windows / doors there).

So we will have to go with hardwood windows....but it's a question of whether we just change the ones we need to, or go all in and get everything done.
Appreciating your point above, and apologies for naffness, but have you challenged your planning approval by suggesting wood coloured/textured uPVC if only on hidden elevations?

Is it stipulated the hardwood has to have a clear finish?

Approx cost of purpose made hw dg windows is £1,300-1,700/m² depending on spec of hardwood and style.

At the end of the day, if you don’t do the full spec, will you regret it?
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Yeah if you don't feel confident measuring twice it's not worth the hassle of a wrong measurement.
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