ANOTHER attempted theft

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Locoblade » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:48 pm

OneTwenty wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:56 am
Just try your local locksmith place and ask for anti snap locks, ABS and Ultion are the best.
ABS were the best a few years ago, and although much much better than a crappy standard euro cylinder that can be defeated with mole grips I wouldn't buy them out of choice now having seen videos like these, especially not the most popular Avocet model. The trouble is they're a victim of their own success in a way, because that particular lock became so popular a lot of time has been invested by locksmiths (and criminals presumably) to find ways to defeat them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBCyxSvBjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPbAy-uMhM

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Dwaind » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:17 pm

As the ex. owner of a M235i and now with a new M4 on the drive I have one of these by the bed.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01 ... UTF8&psc=1

Obviously there is a legitimate use for it in the bedroom, unlike a baseball bat :). BTW I also live near Bury.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Spud1 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:21 pm

Locoblade wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:48 pm
OneTwenty wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:56 am
Just try your local locksmith place and ask for anti snap locks, ABS and Ultion are the best.
ABS were the best a few years ago, and although much much better than a crappy standard euro cylinder that can be defeated with mole grips I wouldn't buy them out of choice now having seen videos like these. The trouble is they're a victim of their own success in a way, because they became so popular a lot of time has been invested by locksmiths (and criminals presumably) to find ways to defeat them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBCyxSvBjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPbAy-uMhM
Indeed this is the unfortunate truth - in the vast majority of cases locks will only ever deter a casual thief - you either force a lock if its a cheap one, or if a better quality lock you pick it...and picking locks is nowhere near as difficult as you may think - even when you come up against supposed "anti pick" locks with security pins...practice and a bit of skill is all you need (and a £30 set of picks to make your life easier).

The best way to secure your door when you are in the house in my own opinion is with bolts - simple, cheap and effective. if you are out of the house that's not practical of course, but personally if I am out then my car is usually with me so it doesn't bother me as much.

Sorry to hear about your experience OP I hope they don't come back - must be a very unpleasant experience for you.

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Dwaind » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:26 pm

I use this on my patio doors, not beautiful but does the job.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by msej449 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:32 pm

Apologies if people have read this before but a few points based on actual police statistics for 2015/2016.

First, let me say that I'm really sympathetic with the OP and all others who have suffered this. I've been burgled three times, once with me in the house, and I appreciate the effect on everyone involved. And that whatever the probabilities, the reality is grim.

All other things being equal, the M-Lites are below-average for theft compared to all other cars and not just cars in the performance/luxury bracket.

The Top Ten stolen cars are mainly SUVs like the X5, Q7, Range Rover, Discovery etc. followed by 5 Series and oddly, Escort. The #1 slot seems to change regularly with the X5 the #1 in 2015 and S3/RS3 the #1 in 2016. So by th time the hysterical press article comes out re the RS3, say, it's probably no longer the main target anyway.

Most thefts in this category are by professional gangs, 'to order' for criminal buyers. They're scanning the area for cars on their 'list' for whom they already have buyers. They will sub-contract the physical side to dumb minions who'll take the risk, and may get violent, but their bosses aren't stupid and want the minimum fallout from the thefts.

Whether you have comfort access or not is virtually irrelevant. Wheel locks are not a deterrent. Immobiliers may prevent the car being driven, but not the attempt to take it.

Having comfort access does not encourage these thefts. However, it may mean they can electronically bypass the security without resort to breaking into your house to get the keys.

A car parked in your drive is 3x more likely to be stolen than if parked in your garage.

A car parked on your drive is 2x more likely to be stolen than if parked randomly on the street.

As mentioned regularly on similar threads, parking the car on your drive clearly identifies where the keys are. If it's not comfort access they have to get the keys and that means breaking into your house. Even if it is CA they may still need to resort to breaking in if they lack the equipment or can't clone the key remotely.

So aside from the home security advice given here there are a few things you can do to minimise the probability of theft.

1. Don't buy an SUV or RS3 (you've already done that, but just for completeness / future purchases)
2. Always park your car in the garage if you have one. It's madness to have a garage and fill it with junk and then leave your M-LIte on the drive.
3. You're trying to foil drive-by surveys by professionals so even in the summer, keep it garaged as much as possible.
3. If you can't do [2] then park it on the street, randomly. Remember, it's almost impossible to drive it away without the key or a clone.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by John46 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm

Well where I work in Birmingham there’s been a white m140 in a side road for 2 days. It’s got a discklock on steering wheel. KS63 NXO. Reg check says 2013 m135i. This car is the latest shape bmw with rear lights that go into rear hatch ( face lift model). Is this possible? Thanks.

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by cadmunkey » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Do you live facing a busy road? 4 days is very quick for it to become a target.

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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Thrash » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:49 pm

msej449 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:32 pm
As you say, this data is from 2015/16 and the problem seems to be a lot greater now and an increase based on what we've seen on here.
As far these cars being below average for theft compared to all other cars, I would say that is absolutely not true. It may have been true back then when 135is weren't as popular but I don't think so anymore.
I also don't believe they're stolen to order, quite a few have been recovered and are used in other crimes as getaway cars, they're hardly exotic.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Uncle Tupelo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:59 pm

Thrash wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:49 pm
As far these cars being below average for theft compared to all other cars, I would say that is absolutely not true.
I think that statement must have gotten muddled. I believe the M-lite theft incidence will be below average, but "compared to all other cars" suggests that it is the least stolen car of all. I don't think that was what was meant ...
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Uncle Tupelo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Dwaind wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:17 pm
Obviously there is a legitimate use for it in the bedroom ...
I was really nervous clicking on that link ...
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by Always in front » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Thrash wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:49 pm
msej449 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:32 pm
As you say, this data is from 2015/16 and the problem seems to be a lot greater now and an increase based on what we've seen on here.
As far these cars being below average for theft compared to all other cars, I would say that is absolutely not true. It may have been true back then when 135is weren't as popular but I don't think so anymore.
I also don't believe they're stolen to order, quite a few have been recovered and are used in other crimes as getaway cars, they're hardly exotic.
My view is it's probably a mixture of stolen to order, joyride, being used in other crimes. In my case where they attempted the neighbours house for the keys by the looks of things the same chap was seen scouting my car a couple of days before the break so it seemed to be planned. I had an alarm already and have changed the locks and getting new front doors fitted, but the one thing in common with everyone I've known who has been burgled has been no house alarm. In my mind its the single biggest deterrent the minority of hardcores aside.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by R1cey » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:16 pm

Locoblade wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:48 pm
OneTwenty wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:56 am
Just try your local locksmith place and ask for anti snap locks, ABS and Ultion are the best.
ABS were the best a few years ago, and although much much better than a crappy standard euro cylinder that can be defeated with mole grips I wouldn't buy them out of choice now having seen videos like these, especially not the most popular Avocet model. The trouble is they're a victim of their own success in a way, because that particular lock became so popular a lot of time has been invested by locksmiths (and criminals presumably) to find ways to defeat them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBCyxSvBjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPbAy-uMhM
Under lab conditions....

The first video doesn’t show what needed to be done, before getting to that stage.
The second video shows more, but the person has the original key to assist.

While locksmiths will likely have all sorts of kits, how many scrotes are wandering about with several kits for all different locks? A lot more difficult to use in the dark and under a bit more pressure.
As I said in another thread, secure cylinder locks also fitted with secure handles (e.g. Mila, which actually “hide” the cylinder), all help protect/deter.

Just like any manufacturer, constant improvements are made during the product lifecycle, so do these kits work on the latest locks? The Avocet (looking at their website), meets all the latest security standards.

At the end of the day, if they are looking for easy and quick entry, then having secure locks/handles/alarm will hopefully persuade them to move on.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by BillTheButcher » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:17 pm

R1cey wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:16 pm
At the end of the day, if they are looking for easy and quick entry, then having secure locks/handles/alarm will hopefully persuade them to move on.
And this is the best you can hope for whether it's your car or your house.

Just to make things more interesting: I was told by a local copper that if you have a lot more security on your house than your neighbours then it will attract the attention of a different flavour of ****. The rationale is that if you've got gates, floodlights, CCTV, etc. then you must have something really worth nicking. :|
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by MattM140i » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:18 pm

John46 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm
Well where I work in Birmingham there’s been a white m140 in a side road for 2 days. It’s got a discklock on steering wheel. KS63 NXO. Reg check says 2013 m135i. This car is the latest shape bmw with rear lights that go into rear hatch ( face lift model). Is this possible? Thanks.
If it's an m140 and badged as such I'd be reporting it to the police especially if it hasn't been moved at all, M140i 's weren't produced until summer 2016.

The Police will be able to get the VIN from the windscreen and run it through PNC to see if it's reported stolen. Sometimes thieves will leave the cars they steal to see if they're tracked.
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Re: ANOTHER attempted theft

Post by marco_polo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:22 pm

John46 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm
Well where I work in Birmingham there’s been a white m140 in a side road for 2 days. It’s got a discklock on steering wheel. KS63 NXO. Reg check says 2013 m135i. This car is the latest shape bmw with rear lights that go into rear hatch ( face lift model). Is this possible? Thanks.
Sounds dodgy/cloned to me.
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