Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

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Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by agm2992mga » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:05 pm

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I would be interested to hear current owners' / those in the know's take on this please?

Is there truth in this from your experience vs are these ungrounded and unjustified claims?

"Ride and Handling > This is arguably the BMW’s Achillies' heel, unlike more focused rivals, the half strength ‘M Performance’ moniker means that above 8/10ths the BMW can start to feel out of its depth, lacking the total control and capability of the best of the breed."

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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by marco_polo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:08 pm

As stock, certainly sounds right to me. Not that most people will be driving anywhere near 8/10 on the road, 20% margin of error is pretty small when you're drifting at speed between unforgiving kerb stones/etc.

It's not designed to be a track day special, it's more of a small GT car. If you want a similar sized 10/10ths hatchback, test drive a Meg Trophy.
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by zabba1 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:28 pm

I would agree to a certain extent. I bought mine as a compromise to do the 70 mile daily commute and also allow some fun at the weekend. But, it doesn't have me grabbing the keys and just taking it for a drive. And I don't think you need to be pushing above 8/10ths to realise that. The lack of steering feel, noise and an edge to the handling all make it a bit tame, and I would be annoyed of I'd purchased it as a "fun" car. People see to make out it's a great hot hatch, but it's not (aside from the straight line performance)

It's very good for my purpose, and I like it as a car, but part of me regrets the purchase and think I should have bought a cheap commuter and have a separate Cayman, 911, Megane sort etc in the garage for the weekend.

So many people rave about these cars, and the reality is that it lacks in many areas. I guess that's what the M2 is for. Plus I don't understand all these idiots who stick JB4 on or whatever, the last thing these cars need is more power....

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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by _ian » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:34 pm

Most hot hatches, say Mini or a Golf GTi, favour handling and especially turn in agility, above straight line pace.

As Marco states above, it's a small GT, a big engine in a comfortable (although small) package - feels more planted on flowing A roads rather than potholed tight B roads. Turn in grip is there, but you need to build up trust (and weight transfer) smoothly. Likewise, without a locking diff, power is best deployed smoothly and when steering wheel is opened up to straight ahead.

It's a quick and rewarding car when you are smooth with inputs, if the road allows. Try to attack a narrow bumpy road with tight corners, and it will feel untidy and "beyond 8/10ths".
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Jcarr18322 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:40 pm

I owned a new 240 for a year and recently traded it in for a new M2. Both have their issues and both have their merits. Both are equally great in their respective areas IMO. The M2 does feel better and more composed during normal driving not just when pressing on. There is a definite difference between the 2 however I rate them both a great deal for different reasons. For normal everyday driving the 140i/240i will put a serious smile on your face. I find excuses to drive the M2 but I didn't the 240, both brilliant in my eyes.
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Blind Pugh » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:42 pm

I agree with all of what’s be said apart from idiots with JB4’s.

5dr pre LCI got unruly on anything above 6/10ths. I took my time and fettled the chassis to resolve the car’s dynamic short comings. By doing so the car was then easily able to cope with the extra 85/130 power and torque from the JB4.

Once used to 400+/460+ power/torque under the right foot - switching JB4 off made stock power feel very inadequate !!

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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Neil b » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:18 pm

Bp I’ve a 140 and want to improve the handling of my car don’t want to send any more than
£1000 what would be your recommendation for that kind of money I ask as you have a vast experience with this model 135 etc ps I’ve passive suspension
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Shadak » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:40 pm

I have driven an M2 yesterday and wow what a car ... if I didnt have an xdrive and wasnt reluctant to give it up, id swap to M2. Could have had a new M2 for only 6k more than M140 because the guy could make me a price, it was an LCI too... But I just wont make use of an M2 apart from 5% of my driving.
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by KR15 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm

Blind Pugh wrote:I agree with all of what’s be said apart from idiots with JB4’s.

5dr pre LCI got unruly on anything above 6/10ths. I took my time and fettled the chassis to resolve the car’s dynamic short comings. By doing so the car was then easily able to cope with the extra 85/130 power and torque from the JB4.

Once used to 400+/460+ power/torque under the right foot - switching JB4 off made stock power feel very inadequate !!

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I think he's talking about those that just stick a JB4 on and don't do any other mods.

My only mod so far is a BCS cat back but I'd definitely be doing suspension mods (would like the B12 kit) before even considering more power as I don't think the chassis can handle the standard power.

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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Peter.V » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:40 pm

Less focused means it’s better at doing the normal stuff than any cars mentioned so far in this topic... It’s extremely easy to live with.
On rough roads, doing unspeakable speeds it does lose its “balance” a bit, but it's easy to improve if you want to drive extremely fast and often.

Bottom line is: Most drivers will run out of talent quicker driving the BMW than the other hatchbacks, but what do you expect? 500 NM going to the rear wheels only with barely any weight on them. :roll:
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by PazzaAE86 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:42 pm

I think the main areas to address for me, are the dampers and secondly the lack of LSD.

I have since got rid of the stock suspension for coilovers and the car feels much improved.

The car is a bit unruly in the wet/cold even in a straight line, suspect an LSD would make the car more usable in a variety of conditions.. Is it needed in the dry and on a faster flowing road? Probably not...

The last thing I want is more power...
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Fitzy2008 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:24 pm

There must be some driving gods on this site! Chris Harris said it was a 8/10ths car but he is an extremely talented driver. It can’t be that bad a car if it managed to get round the top gear track in 1:25.1 only 0.1 of a second slower than a 1m. I’ve had mine a year now and absolutely love it. I have only had hot hatches and a few sports cars. M140i probably not the best track car but a fantastic road car. Only criticism is the suspension isn’t a plush as it could be. But it’s miles better on the road than the focus rs and a45 both very harsh!

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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by git-r2 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:33 pm

The 8/10’s thing is relevant to any factory standard car imho; take a posh Porsche on track and you’ll soon see that with stock settings it kills tyres just the same as any other car. M2/3/4 etc also the same. All standard cars the same.

I’d argue if you want something that’s good on track or 10/10ths the mites should be towards the top of your list (more than a Megane - mlites are quicker and so much more fun!). It’s a pretty good wish list. All essential driver boxes ticked. Rwd, good balance, great brakes (that are cheap to replace), fantastic engine and gearbox. And it’s lighter than any modern equivalent.

It’s nice for road use too.

I do like going sideways though so bear that in mind if taking my opinion on board :oops: :mrgreen:
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by Samp4856 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:39 pm

As far as im concerned this opinion is more down to the driver than the car.
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Re: Criticism of M140i/M240i "above 8/10ths"

Post by McTrucky » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:00 pm

If you spend a day hammering round a track at 10/10ths, i am pretty sure the 140 will come off second best to a few other cars. Will it be less fun? Possibly not, if the fun is more important than the lap times.

Then come 5 o'clock and you have to drive 100+ miles home with everyone else in the rush hour... and then ask yourself what car you want to be in...

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