140i manual rarity...

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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by Kerr » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:54 pm

stag74 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:21 pm
If you look on Autotrader this gives you an idea on numbers:

Auto 261
Manual 26

So 10% are Manual

Then add 3 door manuals, only 8, that is only 3%
Then Estoril blue like mine, only 1, less than 0.4% of M140i's currently for sale on Autotrader!

:D
At the end of Quarter 1 2018 there was over 6000 autos and 1100 manuals.

We're now nearing the end of Quarter 3 and if M140i autos have been selling at the same rate there will be now over 8000 of them.

It is going to be a long, long time before an M140i is a rare machine. There is just too many Mlites on the road now.

Autos will always be more desirable than manuals. While there is still plenty of autos left the values of manuals will never be much higher if at all.

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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by dailydoggy » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:12 pm

I think the auto's will be less desirable/popular with plus age and miles on them they will go the same way as previous generations of auto box cars because of the inherent complexity of auto boxes and the inherent unreliability as they become worn and aged...minimum cost for a modern auto tranny refurb these days is £1200-£1500 and their is plenty of custom in this field of work too..


People buy auto's cos they like them but will they buy them in numbers to keep the value up when aged and second hand with no BMW warranty to cover the unforeseeable?

I asked mate recently who owns a 67 plate M4 would you keep it or own one of these technical marvels with no warranty he said hell no not a chance!!He is on his 3rd M4 after rejecting the the first 2 for faults or failings, the 2nd suffered total loss of reverse gear after 1500 miles...
340BHP, manual shift ,£140 tax!!Got wood! :drive:

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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by GuyR » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:56 pm

stag74 wrote:If you look on Autotrader this gives you an idea on numbers:

Auto 261
Manual 26

So 10% are Manual

Then add 3 door manuals, only 8, that is only 3%
Then Estoril blue like mine, only 1, less than 0.4% of M140i's currently for sale on Autotrader!

:D
That’s two of us on here with Estoril 3-doors with the manual box Image yours a shadow edition?
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by stag74 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:02 pm

GuyR wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:56 pm
stag74 wrote:If you look on Autotrader this gives you an idea on numbers:

Auto 261
Manual 26

So 10% are Manual

Then add 3 door manuals, only 8, that is only 3%
Then Estoril blue like mine, only 1, less than 0.4% of M140i's currently for sale on Autotrader!

:D
That’s two of us on here with Estoril 3-doors with the manual box Image yours a shadow edition?
No, pre-shadow March '17
I've fitted the black gloss kidneys however!
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by kylemacca01 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm

The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo

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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by stag74 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:02 pm

kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm
The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo
I don't think any will become a classic of any great value.
Interested to why 'massively inferior', is it because you have to use your left leg? :lol:
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by markhurley » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:07 pm

Bumble wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:06 pm
markhurley wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:17 pm
Bumble wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:35 pm
I’m looking for a nice unmolested 130. Not too fussed about mileage but needs to be as close to OEM as possible.
Well your in the right place ! I’m surprised you haven’t already found something being a long time lurker there have been loads on the 130i hunters thread ?
What’s your budget ? There’s a mint 3 door with all the options currently for sale
Mines been far to molested/upgraded for the likes of someone looking for a close to oem as possible, personally things like LSD, brakes and decent suspension would appeal to me as the oem items are generally poor or would need replacing as they are getting on a bit now.

What you driving now as a comparison ?
Just a Honda Civic that I will be keeping. The 130 will be a project to restore to as near as factory as possible. As far as the budget, no limit for the right car.
Jesus the 130 ain’t that old doubt there will be much to restore :lol:

130 will be a big step up in power to a civic not unless you have one of the new type r’s if you do post some pics up !

I take it your in the motor trade as you are very knowledgeable on the 1 series make up or you just have too much time on your hand’s :lol:
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by kylemacca01 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:12 pm

stag74 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:02 pm
kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm
The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo
I don't think any will become a classic of any great value.
Interested to why 'massively inferior', is it because you have to use your left leg? :lol:
The box is a bit crap... very rubbery and just doesn't feel very good.

The zf8 is probably the best auto money can buy.

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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by stag74 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:58 pm

kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:12 pm
stag74 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:02 pm
kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm
The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo
I don't think any will become a classic of any great value.
Interested to why 'massively inferior', is it because you have to use your left leg? :lol:
The box is a bit crap... very rubbery and just doesn't feel very good.

The zf8 is probably the best auto money can buy.
I agree, if you want an auto, the zf8 as fitted to many different cars is very good.
The manual isn't the best available on the market, however it is far from being the worst either.
I've driven many rubbery manuals, and in comparison it isn't rubbery, maybe thin latex, it is all relative to what you have driven before.
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by davidv111 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:05 pm

kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm
The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo
Same box as in the 1m so it’s fundamentally not a bad box

But yeh there are too many of them of any gearbox to be worth anything more than a fag packet in 10 years time
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by Np01 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:18 pm

A proper M car will always be worth money, and even then they have to be special to be considered worth collecting when aged.
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by chester » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:48 pm

kylemacca01 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:38 pm
The manual box is massively inferior to the auto, no chance it becomes a classic imo
:lol: :lol: I'm glad you're no motoring journalist.
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by markm240i » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 pm

No chance of the manual or auto being a classic and worth much in the future IMO. I know we all like our Mlites in varying degrees for what they are, but they are a BMW badge/marketing exercise built in big numbers and to a price (hence all the mods) and will never have the same kudos as a proper M car.

Sticking to the manual/auto question, I don't think the manual M140i will ever command a premium because Auto 'boxes are now so good and not inferior in terms of performance or driveability. If I was looking to buy something like a Porsche 996 I would only buy a manual because the tiptronic 'box of the time was cr@p in comparison. If I was looking to buy a 997.2 model I'd prefer the PDK auto option as it's brilliant, even though the manual 'box is one of the best.
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by markm240i » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:15 am

chester wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:49 pm
Although the Auto's appear to be fairly reliable and the choice of the current gaming generation I would imagine in 20 years time anyone wanting a purist drive will be looking for a manual box everytime together with the novelty factor. The complexity of Autos alone I would image rightly or wrongly gives out a troublesome mindset in a older car.

Standard unmolested cars will be rare.
In 20 years time both options will be f*cked or regulated off the road.
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Re: 140i manual rarity...

Post by chester » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:00 am

markm240i wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:15 am
chester wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:49 pm
Although the Auto's appear to be fairly reliable and the choice of the current gaming generation I would imagine in 20 years time anyone wanting a purist drive will be looking for a manual box everytime together with the novelty factor. The complexity of Autos alone I would image rightly or wrongly gives out a troublesome mindset in a older car.

Standard unmolested cars will be rare.
In 20 years time both options will be f*cked or regulated off the road.
I doubt older cars will be regulated off the road so long as they pass whatever regs come along as has always been the case. The problem I imagine will be with today's cars complexity and the use of software etc which if it can't be updated may have MOT implications.
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