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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by Jamesno1 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:47 pm

Absolutely, the taxi info is brilliant

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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by robsaboy » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:30 pm

Jamesno1 wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:44 pm
Thats not reliable though, mine and wifes cars are both business insured. Many folk will have business insurance, it literally cost £10 extra so was worth having
Full business use is normally quite a bit more? Using vehicle for business e.g courier....
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Post by ASB1960 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:48 am

There are some terminology issues.

Class 1 business use generally allow travel between different working sites or customer visits and may be described as "in connection with policyholders business". Certainly generally required for those errands at work and sometimes things like "my turn to fetch the sarnies". Generally cheap. Often zero. Usually policyholder only.

Class 2 extends that to all people on the policy.

Class 3 extends where its "commercial travelling". Any carriage of business goods would normally be class 3.

As ever different companies are different and it is wise to check.

"Business use" does not cover hire and reward generally. That (eg delivery/taxi) would normally be referred to as
"Commercial Use".
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Post by Arnie » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:53 am

I was bit busy in last week or so due to all the work around my car checking site. I post below for your attention and maybe mods could extract everything after --- and pin it somewhere. There was free tool developed in search for victims of HPI Clear cars: www.salvagehistory.co.uk

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I have been involved in project which started as simple research task but it has evolved a lot over last 2 years when we discovered a lot disturbing facts about car sales in UK. The aim of the project was to link information available on salvage sites with HPI data.

I don't want to bore you on how extremely damaged write-offs are sold with claims they had 'bumper damage' or cars which are sold with description of "no hidden history" while being unrecorded salvage.

The most worrying fact of all it is that many "officially" written-off cars, clearly sold with damage on salvage auctions, described as write-offs with stated category are MISSING from HPI register. The worst examples are few category B cars which we have found already, being still on the road and having valid MOT and Road Tax, yet still completely clear on HPI check, when they shouldn't.

I could bring many examples but please see one for your attention to start with:

Currently advertised and being HPI Clear:
https://www.evanshalshaw.com/search/Veh ... k-WV14XZZ/

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Sold as Category C via copart.co.uk:
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/21850757

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This is not isolated to single dealer, car make or location within UK. We got examples from all over the country.

When we approached DVLA recently asking to get in touch with owners of 50 example HPI Clear cars, who are most likely totally unaware of the situation and possibly were subject to fraud, we were refused any information due to data protection laws. We explained in detail the whole issue and heard big fat NO; when at the same time all those car parking companies have no problems getting owner details to issue penalties.

There is one car checking site which already has access to main salvage database and it helped few customers to get full refund on those HPI Clear cars from rouge traders but I am not here to advertise it. We are looking for more victims of this hole in the system where you can buy accident vehicle which is not officially recorded when it should be.

The database which was created has just over 1.5 million salvage auctions on record and you can check it completely FREE. No strings attached, and it will tell you if your car was ever at salvage auction. Records go only until 2015 as this is when data collection started so it is not perfect but we are sure there are thousands of cars out there with hidden history. If your car appears in database you will be provided with contact form to get in touch if you feel you are one of those unaware owners.

On positive hit the site below will tell you what were the details recorded on salvage site (year, make, model), when it was sold and what was the salvage category (Cat B/C/D/S/X or Unrecorded). Database holds more information about each vehicle but this will be released at later date.

You can check for hidden vehicle history for FREE. Please note this is not commercial project, doesn't require any payment or registration and it was created to help everyone:

https://www.salvagehistory.co.uk

We are currently working with mainstream TV channel and newspaper on bringing this information to general public. I hope you understand how serious this is and please share it where you can. I will be posting same information on few car forums I am member of and please hit me with any questions you may have.

Few more HPI Clear examples from eBay:

https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/47318638, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123579240695
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/43404288, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264116136523
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/42371836, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323633683142
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/45417357, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132901220963
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/43974808, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132907550224
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/23996628, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352558696415
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/35565628, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132909515923
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/21241955, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153327919217
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/49505248, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264116136635
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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by stevesurrey » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:14 pm

Arnie, surely this is a story that BBC Watchdog would delight in hearing about ?
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Post by Arnie » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:20 pm

stevesurrey wrote:Arnie, surely this is a story that BBC Watchdog would delight in hearing about ?
Not watchdog but TV is on the case;) We just need more people to come forwards who were victims of this.

I posted same info on audi forum and people question our findings, some even argue cat S/N will never be on the HPI as this is salvage repairable and it is not “total loss” because it is repairable. I was lost for words. Maybe my English is not good enough to explain but when I show a car which is HPI clear, which iwas auctioned via salvage with clear damage and category description, people still dont believe me. I am lost for wordsImageImage

I just feel many people don’t even understand how the whole system works, not talking about the stuff we found in last couple of years...
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Post by Kerr » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:22 pm

It's come up a few times in the past where people have managed to get the Cat status removed from the history of a car.

I've no idea how, or what the criteria is, but they have.

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Post by Arnie » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:30 pm

Kerr wrote:It's come up a few times in the past where people have managed to get the Cat status removed from the history of a car.

I've no idea how, or what the criteria is, but they have.
You cant remove it as such, there is a way to have inspected on HPI by company

https://www.autolign.co.uk

But this will only be reflected on HPI tho. Obviously many people only use HPI so they get some people do it and it looks like category was removed. Other providers will still report it as write-off, it is explained in their FAQ.

If you talking that someone manually removed car from DB which HPI manages that would be totally illegal and should be not possible.

I wish one day someone with enough authority comes along and explains how on earth we are able to find hundreds if cars missing from HPI. If there is some guy working in HPI removing those by hand for his or his friends benefit that is going to be interesting...
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Post by stevesurrey » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:15 pm

Arnie, sorry if you have already covered this in previous posts, but have you approached HPI &/or providers with your findings for their comments?
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Post by Arnie » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:20 pm

stevesurrey wrote:Arnie, sorry if you have already covered this in previous posts, but have you approached HPI &/or providers with your findings for their comments?
Not HPI directly but organisation who created whole database HPI an others use, I pissed them off big time and I was told I can’t just come in and tell them their data is “crap”. I did not use word crap but I related my evidence and examples and told them their data is inconsistent.
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Post by ASB1960 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:40 pm

Arnie, I guess the issue in that case is what data they claim to hold.

HPI, as I understand it, claim that they will tell you if the vehicle has been written off.

One problem is that many people I think interpret that as "the vehicle has been in an accident such as it should be written off".

What it actually means is "subject to a total loss claim". That is rather more than a semantic difference.

There are many different problems. It is certainly true that many insurance total losses do not end up on miatr. It is difficult to figure a way to quantify that.

Your database is holding different data. Things that go through salvage auctions. Certainly there are problems there, and tighter regulation would help with some of it. Vehicles from insurers should all have a category attached. But that is not true for anything not from an insurer (perhaps it should be).

Peoples individual criminality, the variations on the "it was only a dent" fraud can't really be laid at the door of any data provider - though you do a good job of giving individuals the ability to detect.

It is a consumer protection nightmare.
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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by frs3052 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:21 pm

As a consumer Arnies tool works really well. I’m not 100% sure how I would’ve felt if I’d have bought the car in the original post.

Whislt it was no were near as bad as some of the cars posted knowing it’s history after I’d purchased would have been tough to take especially if I’d have paid top money for it.

I’ve used the tool for every car I’ve considered since to help me find the car for me
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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by Arnie » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:24 pm

You may actually like this example. This is STOLEN/RECOVERED so in fact it will be HPI Clear as HPI doesn't show Cat X on their reports. But even if they did only pictures could tell full story how it looked once recovered in one piece :D

https://shop.carstore.com/search/bmw/1- ... ck-yh67oyf

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Re: Anyone recognise this car?

Post by dailydoggy » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:30 pm

:shock:
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Post by frs3052 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:40 pm

Wow. That’s nuts that can slip through unrecorded
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