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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by ninja_geezer » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:20 pm

GVR76 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:05 pm
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It has been weird as the overall update defiantly has one or two improvements. Is it a matter of getting used too ?

Am I going to let it be and ask dervtech to do a remote tuning and update the software?

Lighter steering, yes definitely can be nice but feel a bit light on the front now.
Sound changes, yes definitely, use Carly to switch of the fake sound or pop open the valve.
Gearbox changes, yes definitely not sure whether I am happy.... it still feel sheepish at moment or uncontrollable in a burst of power. But it is not to same every time... WHY ? It will run well on the dyno (340+ BHP stock) but feels inconsistent... tried 95 / 98 / and 102 ron petrol...
MPG not as used to be ? Even on a 60 mile motorway run it is worse ?
Traction control different yes definitely, More often have wheelspin or sliding... would actually say traction control has gone down a bit

It is now 2 months and then to think it went in for broken adaptive suspension... I am starting to loose faith in bmw to be honest and wanting to help... rather go to a professional garage who can deal with this type of car...
I must be confused because I thought the op was changing authorised BMW software
Just not convinced the bmw software is for the better of the car or the better of bmw ...
that is a really good statement i could not agree more...

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by ninja_geezer » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:33 pm

GVR76 wrote:
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look at VW... sure there have been one or two bits in the media about some small emission scandal... I personally know people who hate their VW diesel after the "fix" and also know someone personally who has had a full refund on the car he owned because he wouldn't accept it

Yes an update that could benefit BMW from any (emission) scandal looming that they can prepare the cars no to suit them.
Yes any post-update Volkswagen has had a drop in BHP - increased fuel use - drop in Torque - Change in gears (read about it!)
So Yes BMW can ruin your car in an update to benefit them.

without any official clarification from BMW, it is becoming more conspiracy as they have confirmed: "the car will have changed!"

I don't feel I should lose a single of the cars original characteristics I paid 67k for to get a non requested or wanted update.
BMW are smart enough to know that won't work. There will ALWAYS be cars that won't get updated by them. Plus you can (warranty terms and conditions aside) request that no updates be performed when it goes to your local dealer. So no matter what they do, legacy software will be out there telling the tails of any "scandals".

Either way it doesn't matter what I say, clearly your tin foil hat will always remain on. :roll:

I had mine updated. It drives much better than it did before. I believe like someone else said, that your problem lies elsewhere.

Did you by chance have a courtesy car or use of another car while yours was originally in having it's software updated?
Sorry didn’t think a forum was a place for mine is better than yours.

But the update which in my opinion means it is being taken seriously

The facts
the garage has confirmed the car does not drive as before. Nor sound the same. Nor as punchy etc etc etc see previous 20 pages
The garage has had the car in 5 times for a period of nearly 6 working weeks to find the issue. And is going back next week
The garage is going to replace the full adaptive suspension as “the software” (current version) is in relation to it be broken
The garage has shipped in a identical m140i on a trailer from BMW HQ, pre update to have a like for like comparison and run the cars for testing.
I am the first and only official registered complaints with BMW in holland who is taking this up to HQ. not a single official case has been reported through the official channels in Europe.

If more people would take it further to BMW HQ there might working on a solution instead of forums with dozens of similar cases in holland English and German forums.

So will keep my tin foil hat on for a while till BMW come with a report and I have a second m140 on my drive to run test and have an exact comparison to then decide if I am crazy or not.
well said you keep your tinfoil hat on im sure as f---k i would if i was you m8... :fest: :fest: :fest:
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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by StuM140i » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 pm

Well got the car back with the update and I can’t tell any difference. Still pops and bangs, though I do have a centre pipe delete.

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by ninja_geezer » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:38 pm

Lambster wrote:
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GVR76 wrote:
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BMW are smart enough to know that won't work. There will ALWAYS be cars that won't get updated by them. Plus you can (warranty terms and conditions aside) request that no updates be performed when it goes to your local dealer. So no matter what they do, legacy software will be out there telling the tails of any "scandals".

Either way it doesn't matter what I say, clearly your tin foil hat will always remain on. :roll:

I had mine updated. It drives much better than it did before. I believe like someone else said, that your problem lies elsewhere.

Did you by chance have a courtesy car or use of another car while yours was originally in having it's software updated?
Sorry didn’t think a forum was a place for mine is better than yours.

But the update which in my opinion means it is being taken seriously

The facts
the garage has confirmed the car does not drive as before. Nor sound the same. Nor as punchy etc etc etc see previous 20 pages
The garage has had the car in 5 times for a period of nearly 6 working weeks to find the issue. And is going back next week
The garage is going to replace the full adaptive suspension as “the software” (current version) is in relation to it be broken
The garage has shipped in a identical m140i on a trailer from BMW HQ, pre update to have a like for like comparison and run the cars for testing.
I am the first and only official registered complaints with BMW in holland who is taking this up to HQ. not a single official case has been reported through the official channels in Europe.

If more people would take it further to BMW HQ there might working on a solution instead of forums with dozens of similar cases in holland English and German forums.

So will keep my tin foil hat on for a while till BMW come with a report and I have a second m140 on my drive to run test and have an exact comparison to then decide if I am crazy or not.
I don’t question the issues with your car at any point. I’m questioning your “BMW did this on purpose for their benefit” attitude. It makes no sense at all.

Your issues with the car is likely;
1. Placebo - but if the garage confirmed it drives differently then likely not.
2. An issue with the software flashing process
3. A mechanical or other fault that just happened to show up around the same time.

What I can guarantee is that it’s not BMW trying to “fix” some potential emissions scandal nor any kind of conspiracy.
how can you say this ? What I can guarantee is that it’s not BMW trying to “fix” some potential emissions scandal nor any kind of conspiracy.
where are you getting your info from ?
this is exactly what car manufactures will all do in a heartbeat to try and stop another diesel gate issue be sure of that.. :shock: :shock:
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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by Gimbal » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:26 pm

Triple S wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:20 am
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First service completed this morning with no dramas. Car drives and sounds just as good on way back home as it did on the way to be serviced earlier this morning. :D
Which software version is your car running ?
Sorry should have added that - <i-step>F020-16-11-502

So no update for me. :D
I have the same version, and first service is coming up in a couple of days. The problem is that I haven't decided yet if I should be pissed or not if I don't get an update. :confused1:

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by nickb » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:38 pm

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I have the same version, and first service is coming up in a couple of days. The problem is that I haven't decided yet if I should be pissed or not if I don't get an update. :confused1:
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There is possibly only one person in the world having a ‘serious’ issue, I think you will be fine as are most of us.
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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by Gimbal » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:35 pm

nickb wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:38 pm
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:26 pm
I have the same version, and first service is coming up in a couple of days. The problem is that I haven't decided yet if I should be pissed or not if I don't get an update. :confused1:
There is possibly only one person in the world having a ‘serious’ issue, I think you will be fine as are most of us.
Yes updates usually means improvements so I think I do want the update. (And therefore they probably will not bother to do the update.)

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by GVR76 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm

Gimbal wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:35 pm
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:38 pm
Gimbal wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:26 pm
I have the same version, and first service is coming up in a couple of days. The problem is that I haven't decided yet if I should be pissed or not if I don't get an update. :confused1:
There is possibly only one person in the world having a ‘serious’ issue, I think you will be fine as are most of us.
Yes updates usually means improvements so I think I do want the update. (And therefore they probably will not bother to do the update.)
There is a reason why for this specific x40i update there is companies that will correct your ECU to take away the “problems”...

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by nickb » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:57 pm

We are trying to help you, I agree with another poster now, take off your tin foil hat.

This thread has gone on a long time and whilst you haven’t resolved the issue people are trying to help.

Earlier on I did mention I had the update and had no issues. I’m trying to help.
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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by ItsMeKyle » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:03 pm

GVR76 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm
There is a reason why for this specific x40i update there is companies that will correct your ECU to take away the “problems”...
If there's people willing to pay money they'll do the coding. That doesn't mean they support the idea that the update has "problems".
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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by GVR76 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:05 pm

nickb wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:57 pm
We are trying to help you, I agree with another poster now, take off your tin foil hat.

This thread has gone on a long time and whilst you haven’t resolved the issue people are trying to help.

Earlier on I did mention I had the update and had no issues. I’m trying to help.
Thx. Just frustrated now and the only solution after 8 week with the dealer seems to be to “hack” the system and get the ECU Flashed. (I know my car through and through and even feel and hear the slightest of chanhges)

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by Kalli » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:39 pm

Well - got mine back from the dealer with updated software.

For what it's worth, I'm also a self proclaimed God at knowing every facet of my car :worship1: . Infact I once felt a loose bolt in the car behind me, solely through my steering wheel; my skills are that epic. I can confirm theres no negative changes to the car's driving characteristics.

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by Thetroublemaker » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:58 pm

It DOES change the gearbox mapping on the ZF8 speed TCU noticeably, particularly the shift speed and agression in Sport and Sport+ which is by FAR the most obviously changed part of the software release. I think I would characterise it as more mature. More 140i GT less M1.For my driving i think overall it is an improvement but it has lost a little bit of "zing" or "pizazz" - you know that slight scariness as it changes hard from 2-3 and 3-4 in sport+ and the back end twitches and struggles for traction? well thats significantly subdued now :) which is IMO a good thing if not an exciting thing :)

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by GVR76 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:06 pm

Thetroublemaker wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:58 pm
It DOES change the gearbox mapping on the ZF8 speed TCU noticeably, particularly the shift speed and agression in Sport and Sport+ which is by FAR the most obviously changed part of the software release. I think I would characterise it as more mature. More 140i GT less M1.For my driving i think overall it is an improvement but it has lost a little bit of "zing" or "pizazz" - you know that slight scariness as it changes hard from 2-3 and 3-4 in sport+ and the back end twitches and struggles for traction? well thats significantly subdued now :) which is IMO a good thing if not an exciting thing :)
Yep... not me going crazy then... but I want the m1 and not the GT. I want the missus to be scared :mrgreen: and not be beaten by a seat or a Prius when I floor it :(. It is all to neat and tidy now.

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Re: M140 new software update horrible drive

Post by Gimbal » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:30 am

I'm in for service right now and they will change oil and that's about it. No update for me. :?

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