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help diesel or petrol

Post by jim1946 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:31 am

Hi, looking to change my 118i, which I have really enjoyed and I am looking at the 2 series as this gives better viewing and room in the vehicle.
I have been offered a SE 216d it new with delivery mileage it has most everything I want on board, but would like a bit more chrome.
the problem I have is I have always had a petrol car and now i am retired I no longer do long journeys as oftenas I did, so I am told diesel engines are better on long runs and short journeys can cause the filter to block up.
Does any one have experience/advice on the 3 cylinder 216d, what is the performance like
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Post by scrounger » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:40 am

I don't have any experience of the 3 cylinders but I moved from a 125i petrol to a 120d for the first time last year and tbh I haven't regretted it. I too only do short journeys 10 miles return to work and a 60 mile journey at a weekend to see friends and it's been fine. I get about 550 out of a tank and fill up every 2 weeks or so. There is little or no diesel noise inside the cabin and it's whisper quiet when cruising.

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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by jim1946 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:45 am

thanks for your experience/ view
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Post by OneTwenty » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:24 pm

People often say diesels should only be used for long journeys but I've never understood that idea.

We bought our E91 at 6 months old and 1500 or so miles, it's now done 75k miles and has been perfect. It's my wife's car and she uses it to go to work and back everyday, 12 miles round trip. We also use it for longer trips and holidays (or we did until the 240 arrived!) and it never missed a beat.

I can't see where the disadvantage was of having diesel over petrol, even the price to buy was the same at the time and it averages about 46mpg and is cheap to tax and run.

Having said that, the newer petrols are superb and I bet running costs of petrol would be similar now, including tax. Hell even my 240 manages 27mpg average which is amazing so a 220i etc should get diesel like mpg. And the petrol cars are nicer to drive than the dervs.
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Post by Huxlee » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:11 pm

Previously I have owned 5 different diesel MPV cars over the last 10 years , but I had become annoyed with the DPF systems wanting to perform a regeneration just as I pull up on my drive way or when I'm stuck in traffic, and the increase fuel consumption when this was happening. (I cover 20K a year so I had no worries of short journeys blocking DPF)

Original I was looking at buying a diesel 2 series gran tourer , but the more I researched MPG, Servicing and drivability and the talk of dirty diesel cars tax I thought I'd test the petrol version.
Well I haven't been disappointed, I love the sound of my 3 cylinder motor and I have now covered 10K Miles over the last 6 months and still have a :P Smile on my face. my average fuel economy is between 42-44 MPG, with 4 adults 2 children in the car, I drive a mix of B Roads and dual carriageways , the driveability almost feels like a diesel with a low down pull and extra punch high up in the rev range when I need a bit more oomph.

Obviously to fully understand what best suits your needs , test both units to fully appreciate.

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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by jim1946 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am

Thanks for all of your advice, I think I will be upsetting a salesman.
BMW seem to be reducing the price on the diesels to get them selling, and trying to find a 218i (auto) is like looking for rocking horse poo.
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Post by marco_polo » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:01 pm

jim1946 wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am
Thanks for all of your advice, I think I will be upsetting a salesman.
BMW seem to be reducing the price on the diesels to get them selling, and trying to find a 218i (auto) is like looking for rocking horse poo.
cheers
Make 100% sure it's Euro 6 emissions, the Euro 5's could be taxed off some roads shortly.
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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by Huxlee » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:24 pm

jim1946 wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am
Thanks for all of your advice, I think I will be upsetting a salesman.
BMW seem to be reducing the price on the diesels to get them selling, and trying to find a 218i (auto) is like looking for rocking horse poo.
cheers

quite a few on BMW's used page, depending what you want..

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/2-Series/1.5- ... c=se_na_re_

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/2-Series/1.5- ... c=se_na_re_

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Post by Mistrale » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:29 pm

Do the maths carefully!

I had a choice 5 years ago between a 120d coupe or a 125i...I chose the petrol as even doing 12000 miles a year, the worked out cheaper. At the petrol was £3000 cheaper to buy secondhand, like for like with the diesel.

I think the long term residual of diesel cars is going to suffer badly - sales of new diesels have already fallen. Maybe a case, if you do go diesel, to buy on PCP so you have the future value underwritten just in case they tank!!!
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Post by Uncle Tupelo » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:39 am

OneTwenty wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:24 pm
People often say diesels should only be used for long journeys but I've never understood that idea.
The original rationale was that diesel cars were generally more expensive to buy and the arithmetic generally supported diesel economy/depreciation etc having a break-even point at around 15k miles a year. Newer diesels can have DPF problems if they don't get regular longish runs.
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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by MontegoBlue » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:05 am

marco_polo wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:01 pm
jim1946 wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am
Thanks for all of your advice, I think I will be upsetting a salesman.
BMW seem to be reducing the price on the diesels to get them selling, and trying to find a 218i (auto) is like looking for rocking horse poo.
cheers
Make 100% sure it's Euro 6 emissions, the Euro 5's could be taxed off some roads shortly.
Really think this will be the case? My 318d 2012 is [Euro5] this has made me rather worried....

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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by marco_polo » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:09 am

MontegoBlue wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:05 am
marco_polo wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:01 pm
jim1946 wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:38 am
Thanks for all of your advice, I think I will be upsetting a salesman.
BMW seem to be reducing the price on the diesels to get them selling, and trying to find a 218i (auto) is like looking for rocking horse poo.
cheers
Make 100% sure it's Euro 6 emissions, the Euro 5's could be taxed off some roads shortly.
Really think this will be the case? My 318d 2012 is [Euro5] this has made me rather worried....
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra- ... ur-vehicle

The knives are out for dirty Euro 5 cars.
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Post by Kiwi » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:27 am

You need to change the subject line.
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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by OneTwenty » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:53 am

marco_polo wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:09 am
MontegoBlue wrote:
Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:05 am
marco_polo wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:01 pm


Make 100% sure it's Euro 6 emissions, the Euro 5's could be taxed off some roads shortly.
Really think this will be the case? My 318d 2012 is [Euro5] this has made me rather worried....
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra- ... ur-vehicle

The knives are out for dirty Euro 5 cars.
If you live in London maybe. :wink:

I wouldn't worry too much just yet, it will be 10 years + before values of anything from 2007 onwards are hit too hard. I'm certainly not worried about our e91 which is only worth £7k as it is, another few years and it will be scrap value anyway.
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Re: help diesel or petrol

Post by git-r2 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 am

As has been mentioned do your homework before buying a diesel with regards to where you will use it and it might be a safer bet buying petrol.

I've heard Volvo have stopped developing diesels. Personally, I wouldn't buy a modern diesel, I see a huge depreciation ahead :(
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