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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by duckson » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:24 am

No problems on my Conti 850p (225 fronts, 235 rears) in the few hundred miles they’ve done.
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by markhurley » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:21 pm

9mm tread blocks ain’t nice for any driving apart from the ice and snow which is what they are designed for ! (Ironically once below 5mm they are rendered useless) Tyre manufacturers will say these tyres work up to temp’s of 7 degrees etc etc let’s face it they are trying to sell a product.
I tried conti 850p’s which get great reviews however my review of them was... below freezing they were good and work how they were supposed to ( never got to try them in snow or ice as we didn’t get any )
Temps around the 10 degree mark in the rain of damp they were lethal ! I took them off because they was just dangerous
So don’t be surprised when things warm up they will get wobbly.
I don’t want to sound like I’m putting these tyres down this is just my honest opinion , im sure they give people who use there car to commute a get deal of pleasure that they will be in a better position if the weather turns.
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by bigfellas_dad » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:23 pm

square setup nokian 225/17's here, nothing to report here, all good!
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by BillTheButcher » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:28 pm

Aubergine_Joe wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:05 pm
I read this post shortly before a trip to the shops and didn't have an answer. Driving to the shops, my back end stepped out on a roundabout and I saw a VW Passat having trouble joining it too. Perhaps just greasy roads as others have said.

Oct 16 M140i. MPSS all round. Nearly 16k on clock. Good treads.
Diesel or something equally slippery on the roundabout? I did a 180 on a roundabout in a loan Bora at very low speed. A Vauxhall of some description did exactly the same thing in the lane next to me. Fortunately we didn't hit each other or anything else. No warning at all, the car just snapped suddenly and I ended up facing the wrong way. It wasn't raining and the roads were otherwise fine. I can only guess that we both hit a patch of something.

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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by alackofspeed » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:50 pm

Nankangs are a fairly cheap tyre, so probably are like some Kumho winters I had on a previous car - worked brilliantly when very cold / snow on the ground, but above 2-3 degrees C they were significantly worse for grip than the Eagle Asym 2s I had on summer wheels.

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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by GeeDee » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:10 pm

Diesel tends to be a sudden snap followed with a little slipperiness until it wears off. It won't continue being slippery for a whole journey - at least it hasn't on the 3 or 4 times I've hit it.

Always tends to be on corners which makes things interesting. :D
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by BillTheButcher » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:07 pm

GeeDee wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:10 pm
Diesel tends to be a sudden snap followed with a little slipperiness until it wears off. It won't continue being slippery for a whole journey - at least it hasn't on the 3 or 4 times I've hit it.

Always tends to be on corners which makes things interesting. :D
That was it exactly. I'm sure you can imagine how gentle I was with the throttle after finding myself facing the oncoming traffic. :shock: :mrgreen:

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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by markhurley » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:20 pm

No tyre will help you on a diesel spill unfortunately, amazing how many spins are blamed on “it must of been diesel” lol
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by BillTheButcher » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:41 pm

markhurley wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:20 pm
No tyre will help you on a diesel spill unfortunately, amazing how many spins are blamed on “it must of been diesel” lol
:lol:

If it had just been me I'd have put it down to incompetence/lack of talent.

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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by new666uk » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:21 pm

No more issue than normal on my Goodyear winters. This it the 3rd and last winter I'll use them as down to around 5mm now. TC lights up a lot easier with these but different rubber and narrower than normal summers so just expect that.

As for temperature, last year I ran them Nov to about May so they saw plenty of days in the high teens and 20+ but I wouldn't say the performance was notably poorer. Admittedly I did have an Astra VRX push me on some country lanes but winter tyres aren't for racing.
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by invisible » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:14 pm

square setup conti 860s 225/17's here, all good too. Not confidence inspiring though when a bit greasy or warm.

However in autumn on MPSS was tricky as you describe - camber was way out and tyres worn to canvas on insides.
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by m20b25 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:28 pm

Didn't someone post a video recently comparing the stopping distance of summer vs winter at low temps and winter lost?

They are definately more slippy from my experience but for that 1 day of snow they're so much fun. Hard to justify the expense for 1 day though

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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by Peter.V » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:12 pm

m20b25 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:28 pm
Didn't someone post a video recently comparing the stopping distance of summer vs winter at low temps and winter lost?
I’m pretty sure you’ve got that backwards.
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by marco_polo » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:21 pm

m20b25 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:28 pm
Didn't someone post a video recently comparing the stopping distance of summer vs winter at low temps and winter lost?

They are definately more slippy from my experience but for that 1 day of snow they're so much fun. Hard to justify the expense for 1 day though
Yes, summers completely destroyed winters on everything except ice/slush/snow, and noise.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/20 ... e-Test.htm
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Re: Big Traction issues

Post by Barney McGrew » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:30 pm

NISFAN wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:04 am
I don’t understand this thread, in my experience winter tyres generally bring on the yellow DSC light much easier. I put it down to the floppy tread blocks that mimic ‘wheelspin’ at the best of times.
It's simply because winter tyres have less rubber on the road than summers. They should never be looked at as a performance tyre for the cold weather.

On dry roads, even in freezing conditions summers will outperform winter tyres. The guy on Engineering Explained posted a YouTube video recently showing this in Canada in freezing conditions. On a dry road the summers still out braked the winter tyres.

They spin up easily with high torque cars, just something you have to accept, but they will get you out of trouble on ice and snow where summer tyres wont.

As said above, this is the problem with our climate, it's too variable in winter, especially in the south. A winter tyre will reduce performance generally over a summer tyre, but will get you out of issues should it snow or be icy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsV2ORMsms

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