Loss of aircon/coolant leak, Both radiators damaged. Updated - BMW and Dealer paying in full.

[Mr.B]

Independant engineers report.

That says what.....”a stone hitting a radiator hard enough will puncture it?”

Genius

Maybe get one for cracked windscreens next


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No, a report that says the slated grill is not adequate protection to prevent stone ingress as the combined surface area of the slates in relationship to the surface area of the bumper air aperture is an inadequate percentage. This has also been unofficially acknowledged by BMW by redesigning and adding Rock Guards to new cars and offering this as a retrofit option.

[dave1343]

This made me laugh!

BMW - “Thanks for buying a £38,000 car from us, oh and by the way, you need to pay us another £350 so it doesn’t break down”

?????????

You’ve got to be kidding me! Customers are expected to pay to fix a manufacturer design fault!!!

Pretty much what I expressed to him in my reply.

[moulin12]

Received a reply from Richard Heath regarding having the guards retrofitted. He had this to say:

A retrofit kit is available to order from a BMW Approved centre. The cost of this at retail should be £441.22 Inc. VAT, plus fitting. But this as a kit has been reduced to £350.00 Inc. VAT, plus fitting. BMW (UK) Limited won't consider the cost of this modification.

How kind of BMW to give us a £91 reduction.

This made me laugh!

BMW - “Thanks for buying a £38,000 car from us, oh and by the way, you need to pay us another £350 so it doesn’t break down”

?????????

You’ve got to be kidding me! Customers are expected to pay to fix a manufacturer design fault!!!

You can more than double that with fitting and fitting vat.

[NISFAN]

Independant engineers report.

That says what.....”a stone hitting a radiator hard enough will puncture it?”

Genius

Maybe get one for cracked windscreens next


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No, a report that says the slated grill is not adequate protection to prevent stone ingress as the combined surface area of the slates in relationship to the surface area of the bumper air aperture is an inadequate percentage. This has also been unofficially acknowledged by BMW by redesigning and adding Rock Guards to new cars and offering this as a retrofit option.

It hasn’t changed since N55. Good job you’re not a lawyer.


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[andyh]

That says what.....”a stone hitting a radiator hard enough will puncture it?”

Genius

Maybe get one for cracked windscreens next


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No, a report that says the slated grill is not adequate protection to prevent stone ingress as the combined surface area of the slates in relationship to the surface area of the bumper air aperture is an inadequate percentage. This has also been unofficially acknowledged by BMW by redesigning and adding Rock Guards to new cars and offering this as a retrofit option.

It hasn’t changed since N55. Good job you’re not a lawyer.


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No, but the radiator behind it has. Seems they make it out of tinfoil now. Hence the rock guards.

[Jahjaman]

It hasn’t changed since N55.

So you're saying the N55 and the B58 use the exact same cooling system?

So you're saying that, as BMW went from the N55 to the B58:

- all the radiator components and designs are exactly the same on the B58 and the N55? That is, I can go on to realoem.com and find that the radiator in the N55 has the same part number as the radiator in the B58?

- the air to water intercooler in the B58 doesn't have an additional low temp radiator and it's own coolant circuit that the N55 never had?

Good job.
Good thing you’re not a lawyer either.

[Mr.B]

That says what.....”a stone hitting a radiator hard enough will puncture it?”

Genius

Maybe get one for cracked windscreens next


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No, a report that says the slated grill is not adequate protection to prevent stone ingress as the combined surface area of the slates in relationship to the surface area of the bumper air aperture is an inadequate percentage. This has also been unofficially acknowledged by BMW by redesigning and adding Rock Guards to new cars and offering this as a retrofit option.

It hasn’t changed since N55. Good job you’re not a lawyer.


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No I’m not a lawyer - the pay is way too low for me and therefore I can afford a barrister.

[NISFAN]

It hasn’t changed since N55.

So you're saying the N55 and the B58 use the exact same cooling system?

So you're saying that, as BMW went from the N55 to the B58:

- all the radiator components and designs are exactly the same on the B58 and the N55? That is, I can go on to realoem.com and find that the radiator in the N55 has the same part number as the radiator in the B58?

- the air to water intercooler in the B58 doesn't have an additional low temp radiator and it's own coolant circuit that the N55 never had?

Good job.
Good thing you’re not a lawyer either.

No, our friend above was going on about the ratio of openings in the bumper to grille coverage being unacceptable. I pointed out that in this respect, the N55 engines cars were identical. Which they are your honour. Case closed.

The notion is totally bizarre anyway, as since the dawn of internal combustion engined cars, you had an exposed radiator......erm, yes that’s how they work.

I’ll enter exhibit A - a model T Ford, without stone guards.




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[racey1979]

Just looked at my 5000 mile m240i and there is already minor stone damage on the radiator....worried now
Pretty typical of BMW for shafting the customer and make they cough up to pay for their own mistakes

[Jahjaman]

No, our friend above was going on about the ratio of openings in the bumper to grille coverage being unacceptable. I pointed out that in this respect, the N55 engines cars were identical. Which they are your honour. Case closed.

That post must have been a while ago, as I've gone through a few of his latest posts and none mention anything about ratio of bumper to grill?

[chester]

If its an issue that BMW admit to (would like to see that), then surely it would make sense to redesign the lower bumper and oil cooler grills and retrofit as necessary.

More of design over common sense.

[BlueSatan]

Focken Hell - . Worried about mine, will check mine ASAP as soon I get back.


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[Mr.B]

It hasn’t changed since N55.

So you're saying the N55 and the B58 use the exact same cooling system?

So you're saying that, as BMW went from the N55 to the B58:

- all the radiator components and designs are exactly the same on the B58 and the N55? That is, I can go on to realoem.com and find that the radiator in the N55 has the same part number as the radiator in the B58?

- the air to water intercooler in the B58 doesn't have an additional low temp radiator and it's own coolant circuit that the N55 never had?

Good job.
Good thing you’re not a lawyer either.

No, our friend above was going on about the ratio of openings in the bumper to grille coverage being unacceptable. I pointed out that in this respect, the N55 engines cars were identical. Which they are your honour. Case closed.

The notion is totally bizarre anyway, as since the dawn of internal combustion engined cars, you had an exposed radiator......erm, yes that’s how they work.

I’ll enter exhibit A - a model T Ford, without stone guards.




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The model T radiator is made from a suitably robust material and therefore doesn’t require supplementary protection.

I’ll enter exhibit B - a radiator from BMW that needs supplementary protection as it’s made by Cadbury’s

Please also observe exhibit C - BMW Rock Guards which they are now fitting to 1, 2 and 3 series cars as supplementary radiator protection. Also available as a retrofit kit from BMW.

It makes no difference that the grill was adequate for N55 radiators, it clearly isn’t adequate for B58 radiators.

[NISFAN]

That post must have been a while ago, as I've gone through a few of his latest posts and none mention anything about ratio of bumper to grill?

The text is copied in my post above. His spelling is not great, but he was making a point about the slats not being adequate to stop stones from hitting the radiator, and mentioned slat area to opening area ratio as being inadequate.

This is barking up the wrong tree as far as I’m concerned. The issue is the integrity of the radiator when it comes to stone damage. The radiator itself being more prone to structural failure from typical flying debris than say the N55 radiator. Of course any radiator can be holed, the frequency of the B58 radiator being holed seems to suggest a higher probability of it happening. Or read another way, getting holed by smaller stones.



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[NISFAN]

So you're saying the N55 and the B58 use the exact same cooling system?

So you're saying that, as BMW went from the N55 to the B58:

- all the radiator components and designs are exactly the same on the B58 and the N55? That is, I can go on to realoem.com and find that the radiator in the N55 has the same part number as the radiator in the B58?

- the air to water intercooler in the B58 doesn't have an additional low temp radiator and it's own coolant circuit that the N55 never had?

Good job.
Good thing you’re not a lawyer either.

No, our friend above was going on about the ratio of openings in the bumper to grille coverage being unacceptable. I pointed out that in this respect, the N55 engines cars were identical. Which they are your honour. Case closed.

The notion is totally bizarre anyway, as since the dawn of internal combustion engined cars, you had an exposed radiator......erm, yes that’s how they work.

I’ll enter exhibit A - a model T Ford, without stone guards.




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The model T radiator is made from a suitably robust material and therefore doesn’t require supplementary protection.

I’ll enter exhibit B - a radiator from BMW that needs supplementary protection as it’s made by Cadbury’s

Please also observe exhibit C - BMW Rock Guards which they are now fitting to 1, 2 and 3 series cars as supplementary radiator protection. Also available as a retrofit kit from BMW.

It makes no difference that the grill was adequate for N55 radiators, it clearly isn’t adequate for B58 radiators.

Great retort

Again, it’s not the grille that is the problem, it the construction if the intercooler core. Maybe they should use Toblerone chocolate, as it seems harder than Cadbury’s?

Or just fit a grid shaped cover that specifically protects the tubes.......the rock guard.


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