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Birds or Motech

Post by Stueys » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:58 pm

Need to improve the handling on my 240 so have been reading through all of the reviews on both the Birds and Motech shock/spring kits. All the feedback is consistently good on both, seems like a big improvement over stock. So I'm now trying to work out whether it's worth paying the Birds premium over Motech. Not surprisingly, there isn't any comparative feedback between the two.

On one hand, I like the fact that Birds have tuned the kit specifically for the car. So in theory I get that it's likely to be better. I also like the drop only being 5-10mm as opposed to the 20/25mm of Motech. But I'm struggling to swallow the hefty premium of Birds over Motech, even with the specific tuning they've done. Plus Mike was really helpful when I spoke to him on the phone!

Any views or experience that can give me a steer on whether the Birds premium is worth it?
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Birds or Motech

Post by Connar92 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 pm

Im mid the same dilemma.

Ive got the deposit on the “motech B12 kit”. My initial thoughts were to go with the birds b2 kit but again like you couldn’t justify the extra premium.

I get the impression the birds setup is the very similar to the stock eibach B12 kit in that it retains the stock ride height to some degree but has re valved B6 dampers to rather than the B8s found in a b12 or a “full motech” kit. I think from what i could gather the B6s were used to stop the shock from topping out on undulating uk roads and allowed to have the suspension setup to be a more compliant yet capable setup. This allows the wheels to stay in contact with the tarmac rather than lifting in the air over bigger bumps. Not that ill be taking off in mine too often! More of a suspension kit that the car “should have had from the factory”.

But personally i wanted a bit of a drop. Been trying to find some measurements of a 235s drop in height from stock springs to the motech ones to see exactly how much they drop the car by. Unfortunately not had much success but ill post some up of my car once ive fitted them. Im guessing if the kit has been developed by eibach to work inline with the B8 dampers it should give a better ride too. Plus for £400 less than the birds stuff ive also added a full set of spacers and a few other bits from motech.

Hasn’t stopped me from contemplating both kits on several occasions since though




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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by RobHardyUK » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:14 pm

Motech just slap a premium on for items which are much same as other products out there. Springs / motech stance are all things much the same as what you can simply purchase yourself (h&r springs and whatever spacers suitable), followed by getting them fitted by a specialist who frankly knows 10x more. You will save yourself a bomb. It is a load of overpriced marketing rubbish.

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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by mikeyscott » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:58 pm

Having used Birds, I wouldn’t hesitate to go back and would have done if I’d bought another M-Lite.
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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by NISFAN » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:58 pm

Why not Bilstein B16 - fully adjustable and find out how you like your suspension settings rather than rely on what someone else thinks? Ride height too.


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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by frs3052 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:59 pm

RobHardyUK wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:14 pm
Motech just slap a premium on for items which are much same as other products out there. Springs / motech stance are all things much the same as what you can simply purchase yourself (h&r springs and whatever spacers suitable), followed by getting them fitted by a specialist who frankly knows 10x more. You will save yourself a bomb. It is a load of overpriced marketing rubbish.

I would go Birds, all day.
I thought the Motech springs were different ride heights to both the standard Eibach and h&r kits?
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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by racey1979 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:07 pm

I have Birds B2 kit and as fantastic as it is I would certainly give consideration to the B12 kit which is considerably cheaper. The Birds kit is superb though, i could literally drive my car all day long without being bored or uncomfortable. Whether the b12 kit is as good/nearly as good Im not sure as I've never driven a car with it on.
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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by markm240i » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:15 pm

Connar92 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 pm
Im mid the same dilemma.

Ive got the deposit on the “motech B12 kit”. My initial thoughts were to go with the birds b2 kit but again like you couldn’t justify the extra premium.

I get the impression the birds setup is the very similar to the stock eibach B12 kit in that it retains the stock ride height to some degree but has re valved B6 dampers to rather than the B8s found in a b12 or a “full motech” kit. I think from what i could gather the B6s were used to stop the shock from topping out on undulating uk roads and allowed to have the suspension setup to be a more compliant yet capable setup. This allows the wheels to stay in contact with the tarmac rather than lifting in the air over bigger bumps. Not that ill be taking off in mine too often! More of a suspension kit that the car “should have had from the factory”.

But personally i wanted a bit of a drop. Been trying to find some measurements of a 235s drop in height from stock springs to the motech ones to see exactly how much they drop the car by. Unfortunately not had much success but ill post some up of my car once ive fitted them. Im guessing if the kit has been developed by eibach to work inline with the B8 dampers it should give a better ride too. Plus for £400 less than the birds stuff ive also added a full set of spacers and a few other bits from motech.

Hasn’t stopped me from contemplating both kits on several occasions since though [emoji23

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How much is the Motech B12 kit?

I've toyed with the idea of getting the B12 kit (non Motech) and it would cost around £1k fitted from a local specialist with full Hunter alignment. I'm not really interested in a "Motech stance" or spacers.
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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by Kerr » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:18 pm

Given the info floating about from credible people I would 100% go with Birds.

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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by stag74 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:19 pm

RobHardyUK wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:14 pm
Motech just slap a premium on for items which are much same as other products out there. Springs / motech stance are all things much the same as what you can simply purchase yourself (h&r springs and whatever spacers suitable), followed by getting them fitted by a specialist who frankly knows 10x more. You will save yourself a bomb. It is a load of overpriced marketing rubbish.

I would go Birds, all day.
No direct experience of either, however I would go for Birds.
I would agree all the Motech Stance stuff is marketing that has worked well for them.
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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by Thetroublemaker » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:31 pm

Birds all the way from 99% of threads I have seen :)

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Birds or Motech

Post by Connar92 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:33 pm

markm240i wrote:
Connar92 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 pm
Im mid the same dilemma.

Ive got the deposit on the “motech B12 kit”. My initial thoughts were to go with the birds b2 kit but again like you couldn’t justify the extra premium.

I get the impression the birds setup is the very similar to the stock eibach B12 kit in that it retains the stock ride height to some degree but has re valved B6 dampers to rather than the B8s found in a b12 or a “full motech” kit. I think from what i could gather the B6s were used to stop the shock from topping out on undulating uk roads and allowed to have the suspension setup to be a more compliant yet capable setup. This allows the wheels to stay in contact with the tarmac rather than lifting in the air over bigger bumps. Not that ill be taking off in mine too often! More of a suspension kit that the car “should have had from the factory”.

But personally i wanted a bit of a drop. Been trying to find some measurements of a 235s drop in height from stock springs to the motech ones to see exactly how much they drop the car by. Unfortunately not had much success but ill post some up of my car once ive fitted them. Im guessing if the kit has been developed by eibach to work inline with the B8 dampers it should give a better ride too. Plus for £400 less than the birds stuff ive also added a full set of spacers and a few other bits from motech.

Hasn’t stopped me from contemplating both kits on several occasions since though [emoji23

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How much is the Motech B12 kit?

I've toyed with the idea of getting the B12 kit (non Motech) and it would cost around £1k fitted from a local specialist with full Hunter alignment. I'm not really interested in a "Motech stance" or spacers.

I think evolve are selling a B12 kit for an Mlite for £700 odd maybe a touch over. The motech stuff is £850.

So i guess like £100 on what youve been quoted? Image


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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by OK51MON » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:48 pm

Birds.

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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by JonD » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:06 pm

Birds!

Motech fit generic sping’s (no disrespect to the forum sponsor), birds have developed their own setup specifically for uk roads.

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Re: Birds or Motech

Post by racey1979 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:56 am

When your missis drives you home pissed every Sunday afternoon and always comments how much she enjoys driving your car speaks volumes for Birds imo. To me they have totally nailed it with their settings, its so well judged it balances sportiness with daily all round use perfectly. Firm but never uncomfortable and so much more composed at pace than either stock passive or adaptive.
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