My Suspension quest! 130i

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by Asserti » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:42 pm

I've received my KONI's too.

When I unboxed them they looked like this:

(do note, both came from different suppliers)
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Do you guys received your shocks in the same manner, or where they packed differently? I'm not very happy with this way of packaging. Also, they refuse to sell me the shorter bumpstops..

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by THETYRANT » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:27 pm

Shoddy packing that! and no ive not had the same problem but packing is never great on them, i have had one with a spring platform slightly out of position but it easily taps back into place, not as bad as yours which looks like its come right off! but will go back on no problem.
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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by RoVoFob » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:48 pm

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You should get an adjuster with each front damper, but i know on one set ive had there was 1 missing.
Thanks. Phoned the garage and they told me they left them in the glovebox.

Found them and the instructions when I got home.

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by RoVoFob » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Asserti wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:42 pm
I've received my KONI's too.

When I unboxed them they looked like this:

(do note, both came from different suppliers)
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Do you guys received your shocks in the same manner, or where they packed differently? I'm not very happy with this way of packaging. Also, they refuse to sell me the shorter bumpstops..
Wow, that doesn’t look good.

Only caught a glimpse of the state mine were in when they arrived at the garage, but dampers were in individual boxes that were unmarked in one larger box that seemed in good condition, I think.

I bought BMWP bump stops from Cotswold BMW with no issues.

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by Mr Whippy » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:36 pm

I bought Koni SA from that place in Crossgates, Leeds, and they were in 4 boxes in one bigger box.
I got a few Koni stickers too.


PS, in case you do, never hold a shocker in its box vertically.
I had done Bilstein B4 for my old Z4, cheap box, damper slipped out and 25cm later hit my big toe! Ouch.
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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by ///M » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:07 am

RoVoFob wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:19 pm
THETYRANT wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:04 pm
RoVoFob wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:54 pm
Lots of testing? I thought you just guessed it all :D

Might try the 180 degrees setting. I asked garage for 90 degrees above full soft, but it feels more comfortable than I expected at full soft, so even wondered whether they forgot to adjust them at all...

Not a bad thing, but if I can get a little extra sharpness for only a slightly firmer ride, that sounds like a good balance to try.

How do you actually adjust them? Only had a quick look last night as it was dark, but couldn’t even find the adjuster. Koni video I watched showed the adjuster being a separate knob that you had to manually attach and turn. Is that the case with the 1 Series or is it all built in?

Thanks.
Haha I wish would of been easier :D

+180 is a nice setting for fastroad and not harsh, I run that most of time anyhows on front and I keep meaning to adjust rears to same but not got round to it yet.

Adjusting fronts is with a separate knob yes, you just put the supplied knob onto the little tang on top of damper and turn it, I find it best practice to adjust back to full soft each time when making adjustments (especially if you didn't set it ot its been awhile) and then turn to required setting, doing it that way makes it sure that you are always at correct setting, in past ive added 90 or 180degree on to what I thought I had it set at then when ive done the wind it back to soft method found it wasn't where it thought at all!

Presuming you got the Koni knobs with dampers ? I have a spare if you stuck or you can buy them.

Rears you remove damper then compress it fully which locates the internal adjustment tang into damper rod, you then turn damper body just like you would the knob on fronts, its a bit fiddly and gas pressure in damper is trying to fight you as well but its not bad once you done it a few times.
Will see how it goes for the next week and probably get the garage to set it up at 180 degrees when they do the alignment.

Hmm, I’ve seen no trace of a separate adjuster knob. Had parts delivered to garage - will ask if they’ve got it and chase supplier if they haven’t. It’s no good being knobless! Thanks for the offer but will chase supplier/Koni in the first instance.

How is that tang accessed - is it via the wheelarch or under the bonnet?

Cheers
Did you end up adjusting your shocks to 180 degrees from full soft yet? Any updated impressions?

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by RoVoFob » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:25 am

///M wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:07 am
RoVoFob wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:19 pm
THETYRANT wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:04 pm


Haha I wish would of been easier :D

+180 is a nice setting for fastroad and not harsh, I run that most of time anyhows on front and I keep meaning to adjust rears to same but not got round to it yet.

Adjusting fronts is with a separate knob yes, you just put the supplied knob onto the little tang on top of damper and turn it, I find it best practice to adjust back to full soft each time when making adjustments (especially if you didn't set it ot its been awhile) and then turn to required setting, doing it that way makes it sure that you are always at correct setting, in past ive added 90 or 180degree on to what I thought I had it set at then when ive done the wind it back to soft method found it wasn't where it thought at all!

Presuming you got the Koni knobs with dampers ? I have a spare if you stuck or you can buy them.

Rears you remove damper then compress it fully which locates the internal adjustment tang into damper rod, you then turn damper body just like you would the knob on fronts, its a bit fiddly and gas pressure in damper is trying to fight you as well but its not bad once you done it a few times.
Will see how it goes for the next week and probably get the garage to set it up at 180 degrees when they do the alignment.

Hmm, I’ve seen no trace of a separate adjuster knob. Had parts delivered to garage - will ask if they’ve got it and chase supplier if they haven’t. It’s no good being knobless! Thanks for the offer but will chase supplier/Koni in the first instance.

How is that tang accessed - is it via the wheelarch or under the bonnet?

Cheers
Did you end up adjusting your shocks to 180 degrees from full soft yet? Any updated impressions?
I tried 180 on the front with the original 90 still on the rear. A little harsher, took away the very smooth feel on all roads, so that on rubbish ones it didn’t absorb the rough bits as well. Not bad, but didn’t have as much confidence in the car handling as well.

So...when I got it aligned I had all four adjusted to 135 degrees. Now the ride is still very good on all but particularly scarred bits of tarmac and feels a little more planted.

I’m going against the consensus here, but I think I miss the original M Sport bump stops. It now feels like there’s more travel in the suspension but less precision, as the shocks cushion impacts more rather than hitting bump stops and settling sooner. It’s hardly a Cadillac now, but it feels less more like a 3 Series than a 1 Series.

Oddly, the steering is less weighty and a bit vaguer. Have had proper alignment carried out - by Wheels in Motion - with camber pins out and added camber, which is pretty much what I had before, albeit by a BMW specialist with a Hunter machine, rather than a geometry specialist. However, despite that, there’s more slack in the steering, a little less weight and it’s not quite as completely planted as it was before. It’s good but it’s not perfect as I found it before. Any ideas?

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by ///M » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:25 pm

Have you considered rear subframe busing inserts to tighten everything up? It may be the last piece of the puzzle you require to bring everything together. Nolathane does a cheap set

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by THETYRANT » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:30 am

I know what you mean about the softer feel on shorter bumpstops, however i found after some miles getting used to it that i prefer the extra compliance running them over the slightly stiffer feel from running stock bumpstops, all depends on type of roads your on as well i guess and those i travel mainly are really quite bad so extra travel is a appreciated.

When i tested Eibach Pro springs the firmer rear rate helped a lot with feel on turn in and things along with shorter bumpstops allowed for big hits to be absorbed, however for most of my usage the msport spring is fine and its only after ive been driving my other car (MR2 roadster) for awhile and jump in the 130i it feels a bit mushy until i get used to it again.

As above rear subframe inserts are a good mod and helps with the wobbly rear end feel without impacting comfort as much as firmer springs or longer bumpstops, i had a set to go in this car after using them on last 130 but i sold them and now i wish i had kept them as been driving the 130 more and rear end does feel a bit mushy.
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Now on my 3rd 130i, this time a nice E81 in Graphite, Previously 2 x 130i and 2 x 135i

Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by Asserti » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:36 am

So why do you prefer the mtech springs instead of the mtech ones? Mtech is more comfortable? I have a hard time finding them

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by THETYRANT » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:44 am

Asserti wrote:
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So why do you prefer the mtech springs instead of the mtech ones? Mtech is more comfortable? I have a hard time finding them
Im sorry i dont understand the question, do you mean "prefer mtech instead of NON Mtech ?

Personally ive only tried msport which i think is same as mtech and Eibach Pro springs on my cars, ive not tried any NON-msport springs on my car as they sit a bit higher and i like ride height of msport, the NON-msport i do not know if they are softer spring rate as well as taller making car sit higher, if they are softer rate then comfort will be improved of course.

Hope that answers your question :)
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Now on my 3rd 130i, this time a nice E81 in Graphite, Previously 2 x 130i and 2 x 135i

Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by Asserti » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:47 am

Haha, brainfart!

I meant why msport instead of eibach:)

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by THETYRANT » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:49 am

Asserti wrote:
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Haha, brainfart!

I meant why msport instead of eibach:)
Haha no problem, Msport is softer rate than Eibach so better ride comfort, handling is better on Eibach due to firmer rate but slightly less comfort and thats why im on msport, if i need to replace msport due to breakage etc in future ive no issue running Eibach though and much cheaper than new Msport.
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Now on my 3rd 130i, this time a nice E81 in Graphite, Previously 2 x 130i and 2 x 135i

Camber plate project - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96465

Suspension Quest thread - http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80208

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by HaiderGill » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:13 am

Slightly off-topic but the e87 120d pre-fl eibachs pro’s + BMWP front & Koni rear bump-stops + Koni FSDs on 18 BMWP performance alloys vs Porsche Boxster 987 Gen 2 PASM + DSC sport v1 PASM controller on 19 Porsche Sport Design alloys. The BMW is more comfortable. When I hustle it a long on the country road section of my 1.5 hr one way commute it stiffens up for the twistys then when I hit London it softens up for more comfort. The Porsche with the £1000+ DSC sport PASM controller is more uncomfortable, corners flatter in sport mode. My own account is the BMW is a better all-rounder. When i’m pushing on the FSDs go into sport mode and give a really good account of themselves. All the BMW lacks is the steering precision of the pork chop. The pork chop is like a scalpel...
120d RS (RoadSport) Steptronic 5 door in Sparkling Graphite, Koni FSDs, Eibach Pro Kit, black leather, BMWP Style 269, PS4, Professional Sat-Nav, iPod integration kit, Bluetooth, custom speaker install, performance pedals:)

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Re: My Suspension quest! 130i

Post by RoVoFob » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:04 pm

///M wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:25 pm
Have you considered rear subframe busing inserts to tighten everything up? It may be the last piece of the puzzle you require to bring everything together. Nolathane does a cheap set
Call me lazy, but no. There are so many different bushes, I never know which ones actually make a difference and are worth doing. I’m still trying to work out where the slack has come from since the springs, dampers and top mounts are new and I think the bushes are in pretty good condition.

How much of a big job to update these? Pricey garage job, since it’s not something I’d do myself? Thanks.

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